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Imate li vlasnički ili posjedovni list za to vaše biblijsko tumačenje?

Adventisti nikada nisu krili svoje ucenje, ono je svakome dostupno i lako moze da se proveri biblijom, ili jednostavno uzeti knjigu "osnovne istine svetof pisma" ili "27 Adventistickih verovanja"

Znači li ovo da si ti doista Boga smatrao lažovom sve dok nisi naletio na ovo "biblijsko tumačenje koje Adventisti posjeduju"? Sam kažeš, "Bog laže ako je .....". Dakle, Bog je za tebe morao biti lažov sve do onoga trenutka dok ti adventisti nisu pokazali kako Isus čisti Svetinju na nebu.

Ne, Bog nije lazov i ja ga nikada tako nisam smatrao, jer istina o Svetinji i prorocanstvu o 2300 dana i noci iz Danila 8 i 9 poglavlje onako kako je poseduju Adventisti je u potpunom skladu sa biblijom.
Upravo je suprotno, da Boga cine lazovom oni koji imaju svoje licne teorije po ovom pitanju - da se tu radi o ociscenju zemaljske Svetinje i da je on navodno objavio da ce Mesija doci posle sedam doslovnih godina od pocetka ciscenja, i ako se to nikada nije desilo.
Dakle, ako je Bog po vama rekao da ce Mesija doci za sedam godina - zasto se to nije ispunilo?

Ne! Ono što si ti priložio pokazuje samo kako Artakserks, na molbu Nehemije, dopušta Nehemiji odlazak u Judeju na neko vrijeme. Ja sa citirao Ezru gdje se vidi da su Židovi u Jeruzalemu i da obnavljaju Jeruzalem još puno prije ove epizode koju nalazimo u Nehemiji. Židovi obnavljaju Jeruzalem, a neki koji su im neskloni "cinkaju" ih kraljevima, od Kira, Darija pa sve do Artakserksa. Uostalom, piše ti u Bibliji, čitaj.

Prijatelju, to su tvoja misljenja.
Ja ostajem pri svom, zapovest cara Artakserksa 457 godine je pocetak 2300 dana i noci kako i pise u knjizi proroka Danila.

U redu, evo jednog testa.
Napisi koje godine je izdat taj prvi dekret cara Kira o kome ti govoris?
 
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Adventisti nikada nisu krili svoje ucenje, ono je svakome dostupno i lako moze da se proveri biblijom, ili jednostavno uzeti knjigu "osnovne istine svetof pisma" ili "27 Adventistickih verovanja"

Kako to misliš da netko Biblijom provjeri učenja Adventista sedmog dana?
Ako hoćemo Biblijom nešto provjeriti, moramo Bibliju razumijeti. Slažeš li se?
Razumijeti Bibliju naprosto znači razumijeti pravi smisao i pravo značenje onoga što je u Bibliji napisano. Slažeš li se?
Razumijeti pravi smisao i pravo značenje, onoga što je u Bibliji zapisano, možemo jedino ako nam je dat "instrument" koji to omogućava. Slažeš li se?
ASD su deklarirali kako su spisi Ellen White "jedini nepogrešivi tumač biblijskih principa" i kako kroz njene spise Krist daje pravo značenje svojim riječima. Je li tako?
Ako je tako, ništa nam ne vrijedi što imamo, otvorimo i čitamo Bibliju. Pravi smisao i pravo značenje Isusovih riječi, i ostalog zapisanog u Bibliji, ispravno ćemo razumijeti samo kroz spise Ellen White! Dakle, da bismo Biblijom nešto provjerili, moramo posegnuti za spisima Ellen White. Tada više nije Biblija vrhunski i neprikosnoveni "instrument" kojim se nešto provjerava - to postaju spisi Ellen White.

Je li tebi sada jasno gdje smo stigli? Ne možemo mi uopće, prema svemu ovome, Biblijom provjeriti učenje ASD i spise Ellen White. Stvari stoje upravo obrnuto - Biblija se provjerava spisima Ellen White!
 
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Biblija se može razumeti traženjem da Bog da Božansko prosvetljenje i da nas svojim Duhom uputi na pravilno razumevanje istina koje su u njoj zapisane.

"Ovo vam kazah dok sam s vama.
A utešitelj, Duh Sveti, kog će Otac poslati u ime moje, On će vas naučiti svemu i napomenuće vam sve što vam rekoh" ( Jovan 14. 25 - 26 )

Nije Ellen White autoritet istine, niti su njeni spisi ti kojima treba tumačiti Božju reč, to nije učenje Adventističke crkve.
Bog je dao dar proroštva svojoj crkvi koji se ispljio u radu sestre Ellen White u onom vremenu, sa ciljem da govori, savetuje, upućuje i vodi svoju crkvu na putu ka večnosti.

Može se reći da zmeđu onoga što je Bog dao u svojoj reči i ono što daje kroz izabrane sluge proroke - u suštini nema razlike jer je sve to Božja reč, veće i manje svetlo - s time da se ovo manje proverava većim, jer na to upućuje i sama reč Božja da ispitujemo da li je neko poslan od Boga ili ne.

Evo jednog uvoda iz knjige Rani spisi - uvod trećeg dela knjige, koji govori o duhovnim darovima.
Pošto ga nisam pronašao na Srpskom prilažem na Engleskom.

Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 1:
Introduction

Is it possible that Ellen White received the gift of prophecy, or did these gifts end with the apostolic era?
Is it possible that Ellen White received
the gift of prophecy, or did these gifts
end with the apostolic era?
Illustration — White Estate
The gift of prophecy was manifested in the church during the Jewish dispensation. If it disappeared for a few centuries, on account of the corrupt state of the church toward the close of that dispensation, it reappeared at its close to usher in the Messiah. Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, "was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied." Simeon, a just and devout man who was "waiting for the consolation of Israel," came by the Spirit into the temple, and prophesied of Jesus as "a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of Thy people Israel"; and Anna, a prophetess, "spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem." And there was no greater prophet than John the Baptist, who was chosen of God to introduce to Israel "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

The Christian age commenced with the outpouring of the Spirit, and a great variety of spiritual gifts was manifested among the believers. These were so abundant that Paul could say to the Corinthian church, "The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal"—to every man in the church, not to every man in the world, as many have applied it.

Since the great apostasy, these gifts have rarely been manifested; and this is probably the reason why professed Christians generally believe that they were limited to the period of the primitive church. But is it not on account of the errors and unbelief of the church that the gifts have ceased? And when the people of God shall attain to primitive faith and practice, as they certainly will by the proclamation of the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus, will not "the latter rain" again develop the gifts? Reasoning from analogy we should expect it. Notwithstanding the [134] apostasies of the Jewish age, it opened and closed with special manifestations of the Spirit of God. And it is unreasonable to suppose that the Christian age—the light of which, compared with the former dispensation, is as the light of the sun compared with the feeble rays of the moon—should commence in glory and close in obscurity. And since a special work of the Spirit was necessary to prepare a people for the first advent of Christ, how much more so for the second; especially since the last days were to be perilous beyond all precedent, and false prophets were to have power to show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect. But to the Scriptures of truth:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe: in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Mark 16:15–18.

Campbell's translation says, "These miraculous powers shall attend the believers." The gifts were not confined to the apostles, but extended to the believers. Who will have them? Those that believe. How long? There is no limitation; the promise runs parallel with the great commission to preach the gospel and reaches the last believer.

But it is objected that this aid was promised only to the apostles and to those who believed through their preaching; that they fulfilled the commission, established the gospel, and that the gifts ceased with that generation. Let us see if the great commission ended with that generation. Matthew 28:19, 20. "Go ye therefore, [135] and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world."

That the preaching of the gospel under this commission did not end with the primitive church is evident from the promise, "I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." He does not say, I am with you, apostles, everywhere, even to the ends of the earth; but I am with you always, to the end of the world, or age. It will not do to say that the Jewish age is meant, for that had already ended at the cross. I conclude, then, that the preaching and the belief of the primitive gospel will always be attended with the same spiritual aid. The apostles' commission belonged to the Christian age, and embraced the whole of it. Consequently the gifts were lost only through apostasy, and will be revived with the revival of primitive faith and practice.

In 1 Corinthians 12:28, we are informed that God hath set, placed, or fixed, certain spiritual gifts in the church. In the absence of any scriptural proof that he has removed or abolished them, we must conclude that they were intended to remain. Where is the proof then that they are abolished? In the same chapter where the Jewish Sabbath is abolished, and the Christian Sabbath instituted—a chapter in the Acts of the Mystery of Iniquity and the Man of Sin. But the objector claims Bible proof that gifts were to cease, contained in the following text: "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part [136] shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity." 1 Corinthians 13:8–13.

This text does foretell the cessation of spiritual gifts, also of faith and hope. But when were they to cease? We still look forward to the time when—

"Hope shall change to glad fruition,
Faith to sight and prayer to praise."

They are to cease when that which is perfect is come, when we shall no longer see through a glass darkly, but face to face. The perfect day, when the just are made perfect and see as they are seen, is yet in the future. It is true that the Man of Sin, when arrived at manhood, had put away such "childish things" as prophecies, tongues, and knowledge, and also the faith, hope, and charity of the primitive Christians. But there is nothing in the text to show that God designed to take away the gifts which he had set in the church, till the consummation of her faith and hope, till the surpassing glory of the immortal state should eclipse the most brilliant displays of spiritual power and knowledge ever manifested in this mortal state.

The objection founded upon 2 Timothy 3:16, which some have gravely presented, deserves no more than a passing remark. If Paul, in saying that the Scriptures are to make the man of God perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works, meant that nothing more should be written by inspiration, why was he at that moment adding to those Scriptures? At least why did he not drop the pen as soon as that sentence was written? And why did John, thirty years afterward, write the book of Revelation? This book contains another text [137] which is quoted to prove the abolition of spiritual gifts.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18, 19.

From this text it is claimed that God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past to the fathers by the prophets, and, in the commencement of the gospel day, by Jesus and his apostles, has hereby solemnly promised never to communicate anything more to man in that way. Therefore all prophesying after this date must be false. This, it is said, closes the canon of inspiration. If so, why did John write his gospel after his return from Patmos to Ephesus? In doing so did he add to the words of the prophecy of that book written in the isle of Patmos? It is evident, from the text, that the caution against adding to, or taking from, refers not to the Bible as we have the volume compiled, but to the separate book of Revelation, as it came from the hand of the Apostle. Yet no man has a right to add to, or subtract from, any other book written by inspiration of God. Did John, in writing the book of Revelation, add anything to the book of Daniel's prophecy? Not at all. A prophet has no right to alter the word of God. But the visions of John corroborate those of Daniel and give much additional light upon the subjects there introduced. I conclude, then, that the Lord has not bound himself to keep silence, but is still at liberty to speak. Ever be it the language of my heart, Speak, Lord, through whom Thou wilt; Thy servant heareth.

Thus the attempt to prove from Scripture the abolition [138] of spiritual gifts, proves a total failure. And since the gates of hades have not prevailed against the church, but God still has a people on earth, we may look for the development of the gifts in connection with the third angel's message, a message which will bring back the church to apostolic ground and make it indeed the light—not darkness—of the world.

Again: we are forewarned that there would be false prophets in the last days, and the Bible gives a test by which to try their teachings in order that we may distinguish between the true and the false. The grand test is the law of God, which is applied both to the prophesyings and to the moral character of the prophets. If there were to be no true prophesyings in the last days, how much easier to have stated the fact, and thus cut off all chance for deception, than to give a test by which to try them, as if there would be the genuine as well as the false.

In Isaiah 8:19, 20, is a prophecy of the familiar spirits of the present time, and the law is given as a test: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Why say, "if they speak not," if there was to be no true spiritual manifestation or prophesying at the same time? Jesus says, "Beware of false prophets. . . . Ye shall know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:15, 16. This is a part of the sermon on the mount, and all can see that this discourse has a general application to the church through the gospel age. False prophets are to be known by their fruits; in other words, by their moral character. The only standard by which to determine whether their fruits are good or bad, is the law of God. Thus we are brought to the law and to the testimony. True prophets will not only speak according to this word, but they will live according to it. One who speaks and lives thus, I dare not condemn. [139]

It has always been a characteristic of false prophets that they see visions of peace; and they will be saying, "peace and safety," when sudden destruction comes upon them. The true will boldly reprove sin and warn of coming wrath.

Prophesyings which contradict the plain and positive declarations of the Word, are to be rejected. Thus our Saviour taught His disciples when He warned them concerning the manner of His second coming. When Jesus ascended to heaven in the sight of his disciples, it was declared most explicitly by the angels that this same Jesus should so come in like manner as they had seen him go into heaven. Hence Jesus, in predicting the work of the false prophets of the last days, says, "If they shall say unto you, Behold, He is in the desert; go not forth: behold, He is in the secret chambers, believe it not." All true prophesying on that point must recognize his visible coming from heaven. Why did not Jesus say, Reject all prophesying at that time; for there will be no true prophets then?

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ." Ephesians 4:11–13.

We learn from a previous verse that when Christ ascended up on high, he gave gifts unto men. Among these gifts are enumerated apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. The object for which they were given was the perfecting of the saints in unity and knowledge. Some who profess to be pastors and teachers at the present day hold that these gifts fully accomplished their object some eighteen hundred years ago, [140] and consequently ceased. Why not then throw aside their titles of pastors and teachers? If the office of prophet is by this text limited to the primitive church, so is that of the evangelist—and all the rest; for no distinction is made.

Now let us reason a moment upon this point. All these gifts were given for the perfecting of the saints in unity, knowledge, and spirit. Under their influence the primitive church for a time enjoyed that unity: "The multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul." And it seems a natural consequence of this state of unity, that "with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all." Acts 4:31–33. How desirable such a state of things now! But apostasy with its dividing and blighting influence marred the beauty of the fair church and clothed her in sackcloth. Division and disorder have been the result. Never was there so great a diversity of faith in Christendom as at the present day. If the gifts were necessary to preserve the unity of the primitive church, how much more so to restore unity now! And that it is the purpose of God to restore the unity of the church in the last days, is abundantly evident from the prophecies. We are assured that the watchmen shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion. Also, that in the time of the end the wise shall understand. When this is fulfilled there will be unity of faith with all whom God accounts wise; for those that do in reality understand aright, must necessarily understand alike. What is to effect this unity but the gifts that were given for this very purpose?

From considerations like these, it is evident that the perfect state of the church here predicted is still in the future; consequently these gifts have not yet accomplished their purpose. This letter to the Ephesians [141] was written in A.D. 64, about two years before Paul told Timothy that he was ready to be offered, and the time of his departure was at hand. The seeds of the apostasy were now germinating in the church, for Paul had said ten years before, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, "The mystery of iniquity doth already work." Grievous wolves were now about to enter in, not sparing the flock. The church was not then rising and advancing to that perfection in unity contemplated in the text, but was about to be torn by factions and distracted by divisions. The Apostle knew this; consequently he must have looked beyond the great apostasy, to the period of the gathering of the remnant of God's people, when he said, "Till we all come into [margin] the unity of the faith." Ephesians 4:13. Hence the gifts that were set in the church have not yet served out their time.

"Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:19–21.

In this epistle the Apostle introduces the subject of the second coming of the Lord. He then describes the state of the unbelieving world at that time, who are saying, "Peace and safety," when the day of the Lord is about to burst upon them, and sudden destruction come upon them as a thief in the night. He then exhorts the church, in view of these things, to keep awake, to watch and be sober. Among the exhortations that follow are the words we have quoted, "Quench not the Spirit," etc. Some may think that these three verses are completely detached from one another in sense; but they have a natural connection in the order in which they stand. The person who quenches the Spirit will be left to despise prophesyings, which are the legitimate fruit of the Spirit. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall [142] prophesy." Joel 2:28. The expression, "Prove all things," is limited to the subject of discourse, prophesyings, and we are to try the spirits by the tests which God has given us in his Word. Spiritual deceptions and false prophesyings abound at the present time; and doubtless this text has a special application here. But mark, the Apostle does not say, Reject all things; but, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit. And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." Joel 2:28–32.

This prophecy of Joel, which speaks of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the last days, was not all fulfilled at the beginning of the gospel dispensation. This is evident from the wonders in heaven and in earth, introduced in this text, which were to be precursors of "the great and terrible day of the Lord." Though we have had the signs, that terrible day is still in the future. The whole gospel dispensation may be called the last days, but to say that the last days are all 1800 years in the past, is absurd. They reach to the day of the Lord and to the deliverance of the remnant of God's people: "For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." [143]

This remnant, existing amid the signs and wonders that usher in the great and terrible day of the Lord, is doubtless the remnant of the seed of the woman spoken of in Revelation 12:17—the last generation of the church on earth. "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

The remnant of the gospel church will have the gifts. War will be waged against them because they keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Revelation 12:17.) In Revelation 19:10, the testimony of Jesus is defined to be the spirit of prophecy. Said the angel, "I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus." In Revelation 22:9, he repeats the same in substance, as follows: "I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets." From the comparison we see the force of the expression, "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." But the testimony of Jesus includes all the gifts of that one Spirit. Says Paul: "I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; that in everything ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: so that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 1:4–7. The testimony of Christ was confirmed in the Corinthian church; and what was the result? They came behind in no gift. Are we not justified, then, in the conclusion that when the remnant are fully confirmed in the testimony of Jesus, they will come behind in no gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ?

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Biblija se može razumeti traženjem da Bog da Božansko prosvetljenje i da nas svojim Duhom uputi na pravilno razumevanje istina koje su u njoj zapisane.

"Ovo vam kazah dok sam s vama.
A utešitelj, Duh Sveti, kog će Otac poslati u ime moje, On će vas naučiti svemu i napomenuće vam sve što vam rekoh" ( Jovan 14. 25 - 26 )

Ako ti ovako zaista vjeruješ, sve drugo je višak. Još gore, nešto bi moglo biti čak i smetnja. OK, ali čemu onda tvoje 20-godišnje proučavanje spisa Ellen White??? Tražiš li ti Istinu koju ni Sveto Pismo ne doseže?

Nije Ellen White autoritet istine, niti su njeni spisi ti kojima treba tumačiti Božju reč, to nije učenje Adventističke crkve.

Jesi li ti Adventist sedmog dana i pripadnik crkve ASD!? Citirat ću ti vjerovanje br. 18 (od ukupno 28) koje deklariraju ASD:

Dar proroštva: Proroštvo je jedan od darova Svetoga Duha. Ovaj dar je znak raspoznavanja Crkve Ostatka i isticalo se u službi Elen G. White. Kao Gospodnji vjesnik, njeni spisi su neprekidni i autoritativni izvor istine koja Crkvi objezbjeđuje utjehu, vodstvo, poučavanje i popravljanje. Oni, također, naglašavaju da je Biblija mjerilo kojim se moraju ispitati sva učenja i iskustva. (Joel 2,28.29; Djela 2,14-21; Hebrejima 1,1-3; Otkrivenje 12,17; 19,10)

Pogledaj što bi morao vjerovati onaj tko se smatra pripadniko crkve ASD. Baš potpuno suprotno! Ti kažeš: "Nije Ellen White, niti su njeni spisi autoritet istine", a crkva ASD u vjerovanju deklarira: "njeni spisi su neprekidni i autoritativni izvor istine". Što ti bi!? Je li ovo tvoj stvarni i iskreni zaokret, ili je u pitanju samo, kako kažu moderni menadžeri, "kontrola štete"?

Bog je dao dar proroštva svojoj crkvi koji se ispljio u radu sestre Ellen White u onom vremenu, sa ciljem da govori, savetuje, upućuje i vodi svoju crkvu na putu ka večnosti.

Da, samo kakvoj vječnosti? Kakvoj vječnosti može voditi najgore blaćenje Boga - Bog je 22.10.1844. odbacio sav pokvareni svijet?

Može se reći da zmeđu onoga što je Bog dao u svojoj reči i ono što daje kroz izabrane sluge proroke - u suštini nema razlike jer je sve to Božja reč, veće i manje svetlo - s time da se ovo manje proverava većim, jer na to upućuje i sama reč Božja da ispitujemo da li je neko poslan od Boga ili ne.

Slažem se! Samo teško možemo izabranim Božjim slugama zvati one koji Boga blate - Bog je odbacio sav ....
 
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I Laodikeja je lepo rekao. Adventisti proveravaju ucenje E.G. White na temelju Biblijskog teksta a ne obratno.
Zato je vase insistiranje na njenom ''autoritetu'' kod Adventista smesno...
 
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Ti nisi rayumna osoba, jer ponavljas ono na sta sam ja vec odgovorio i o cemu je Ellen White pisala.

Ellen White u ovim citatima misli na one koji su imali veliku Svetlost o vremenu ociscenja Svetinje a potom je odbacili.
To dokazuju drugi citati koji govore o tome da su oni koji su odbacili ovu svetlost nakon tog cina svoje poglede usmerili ka nebu i trazili Boga, ali posto su ga prethodno odbacili njega tamo nije bilo i tada je sotona iskoristio priliku i dao im svoju silu u kojoj je bilo puno snage ali ne i slatke Hristove ljubavi.

Dakle, tu se govori o nima koji su odbacili svetlost koju su posedovali i time dopustili sotoni da deluje i da ih prevari.

Bog nije odbacio one koji ovu istinu nisu poznavali, jer on je upravo i usao u Svetinju nad Svetinjama 22 oktobra 1844 godine da obavi zavrsno delo posredovanja za coveka.
Po tvojoj teoriji to bi bilo nemoguce ako je on odbacio citav svet.
Prema tome, stvar je u tvom izvrtanju konteksta - a ne u istini koju poseduju Adventisti, koja je u potpunom skladu sa biblijom.

Tako je.
Biblija je jedino merilo, a njeni spisi su manje svetlo - izvor istine koja se nalazi u bibliji.

"Dar proroštva: Proroštvo je jedan od darova Svetoga Duha. Ovaj dar je znak raspoznavanja Crkve Ostatka i isticalo se u službi Elen G. White. Kao Gospodnji vjesnik,
njeni spisi su neprekidni i autoritativni izvor istine koja Crkvi objezbjeđuje utjehu, vodstvo, poučavanje i popravljanje. Oni, također, naglašavaju da je Biblija mjerilo kojim se moraju ispitati sva učenja i iskustva" Amin!

Bog se nakon pisanja biblije u novom zavetu nije zavetovao na cutanje.
Trebao bi da znas sta apostoli govore u svojim poslanicama o duhovnim darovima i prorockom daru u crkvi, kroz koje Bog govori svom narodu.

Ellen White je Bozji prorok crkve poslednjeg vremena.
 
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I Laodikeja je lepo rekao. Adventisti proveravaju ucenje E.G. White na temelju Biblijskog teksta a ne obratno.
Zato je vase insistiranje na njenom ''autoritetu'' kod Adventista smesno...

Kao prvo to da Adv. proveravaju tekstove Jelene Bele je velika NEISTINA!
Nemožeš to predamnom govoriti uozbilji se malo.Laodikeja je svašta rekao i ko ga još uzima za ozbiljnog sagovornika?
Smešno je Adv. da neko želi proveriti plagijatora Jelenu jer je Adv. ona NE POGREŠIVI BOŽJI GLAS i čak DUH PROROŠTVA. Bratac Pravoslavac čuj nešto,Adv. uče da je naslov pape kao namesnika sina Božjeg HULA a ja te pitam da li je hula reći da su reči jedne žene glas Isusov i njene reči nazivati Isusovim rečima to jest poistovetiti je sa Isusom?

Eto Laodikeja je govorio da mu Jelena nije uzor niti potrebna za veru to on sam sve zna a evo ne može proći stranica da ne izusti poznatog plagijatora i varalicu Jelenu metlicu.
Tvrdio je još da NIGDE nije citiorao Jelenu...ko ga nezna prevario bi se.

,,Ellen White u ovim citatima misli na one koji su imali veliku Svetlost o vremenu ociscenja Svetinje a potom je odbacili.,,

A koja je to SVETLOST i kome došla daj to objasni?
Ti zaboravljaš ko je bio svetlonoša ili ga uporno želiš zastupati gazeći Božje proroke?
Jel to možda ono korzo iz sobe u sobu pošto nije na zemlji bilo čišćenje onda se nebo očistilo od papstva...jel to svetli i dalje :oopss:

,,Ellen White je Bozji prorok crkve poslednjeg vremena.,

Lično bih zabranio pisanje u alkoholisanom stanju.
 
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Ti nisi rayumna osoba, jer ponavljas ono na sta sam ja vec odgovorio i o cemu je Ellen White pisala.

Ellen White u ovim citatima misli na one koji su imali veliku Svetlost o vremenu ociscenja Svetinje a potom je odbacili.
To dokazuju drugi citati koji govore o tome da su oni koji su odbacili ovu svetlost nakon tog cina svoje poglede usmerili ka nebu i trazili Boga, ali posto su ga prethodno odbacili njega tamo nije bilo i tada je sotona iskoristio priliku i dao im svoju silu u kojoj je bilo puno snage ali ne i slatke Hristove ljubavi.

Dakle, tu se govori o nima koji su odbacili svetlost koju su posedovali i time dopustili sotoni da deluje i da ih prevari.

Ti toneš sve dublje i dublje. Pokvareni svijet prema Ellen White su svi oni koji nisu prihvatili vijest prvog anđela. Hvališ se 20-godišnjim proučavanjem spisa Ellen White, a ja te moram poučavati o tome. Dakle, Ellen White i društvo oko nje jesu adventni narod koji putuje u Sveti Grad primiti nagradu, a svi drugi su pokvareni svijet. Prema Ellen White i ostalim pionirima ASD ta podjela nepovratno je zapečaćena 22.10.1844. Gotovo je, završilo je vrijeme pokajanja i oproštenja, Bog je taj pokvareni svijet 22.10.1844. zauvijek odbacio. Suludo, ali eto, upravo je ovako naučavala.

Bog se nakon pisanja biblije u novom zavetu nije zavetovao na cutanje.
Trebao bi da znas sta apostoli govore u svojim poslanicama o duhovnim darovima i prorockom daru u crkvi, kroz koje Bog govori svom narodu.

Znam, samo ne mogu vjerovati da Bog svom narodu šalje poruke preko onih koji hule na njega - koji tvrde da je Bog 22.10.1844. odbacio sve ljude koji nisu bili uz Ellen White i društvo.
 
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Mucno je i odgavarati na ovoliko izvrtanja i neistina i to bez ikakvog cilja.
Kada budete otvoreni za Bozji glas i potpuno reseni dase odreknete svoje subjektivnosti, tada ce i biti neke svrhe za diskusiju na ovakav nacin.
Toliko o Hriscanskom postenju iistinoljubivosti.

Ja spasenje i licni odnos sa Bogom izgradjujem i znam sta mi Gospod svedoci, a vama neka je Bog u pomoci zbog izmisljanja i izvrtanja koja ovde plasirate kao navodne cinjenice.

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Kao prvo to da Adv. proveravaju tekstove Jelene Bele je velika NEISTINA!
Nemožeš to predamnom govoriti uozbilji se malo.Laodikeja je svašta rekao i ko ga još uzima za ozbiljnog sagovornika?
Smešno je Adv. da neko želi proveriti plagijatora Jelenu jer je Adv. ona NE POGREŠIVI BOŽJI GLAS i čak DUH PROROŠTVA.
Svaki vernik proverava njene tekstove, svako ima razum i nije ispranog mozga da ne moze da proveri...
Prvo ide biblija, a onda idu ovi tekstovi, tkz. ''duh prorostva''..
Kada sam pitao moju rodjaku: zasto verujes da je Jelena prorok, rekla je: ''sve sto je pisala je u skaldu sa biblijom, nisam nasla nista suprotno'' - I sad ti kazes da oni to ne proveravaju?
Naravno da proveravaju..

Druga je stvar da li im se podmecu prekrojeni tekstovi...

Bratac Pravoslavac čuj nešto,Adv. uče da je naslov pape kao namesnika sina Božjeg HULA a ja te pitam da li je hula reći da su reči jedne žene glas Isusov i njene reči nazivati Isusovim rečima to jest poistovetiti je sa Isusom?
Gde je to Jelena poistovecivana sa Isusom?

Eto Laodikeja je govorio da mu Jelena nije uzor niti potrebna za veru to on sam sve zna a evo ne može proći stranica da ne izusti poznatog plagijatora i varalicu Jelenu metlicu.
Pa eto, i on je rekao ono sto ja tvrdim, da Adventistima Jelena nije potrebna za veru.
Pitaj bilo kog Adventistu dobices isti odgovor.
I sad ja kao izmisljam kad kazem da vi kompromitujuci Jelenu necete nista postici...


Ne može proći stranica da ne izusti poznatog plagijatora i varalicu Jelenu metlicu.
Lično bih zabranio pisanje u alkoholisanom stanju
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Eto, ovo je ono o cemu govorim.
Jel lepo ovako pisati?
Hoce li te Hristos za ovo pohvaliti?

Prvo vredjas coveka.
Drugo izmisljas razna imena Jeleni.
Jel vas onda iko moze uzeti za ozbiljno, i da li vas iko moze okarakterisati kao nepristrasne i iskrene ljude?
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Da li neko moze biti pripadnik Crkve Adventista sedmog dana a da ne veruje spisima Elen Vajt, odnosno slaze se sa svim teoloskim ucenjem Crkve, ali nju ne priznaje za proroka?
 
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