Ime Boga Biblijskoga

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Naravno, tekst kaze da je Stefan prizivao Boga Isusa u svojoj molitvi, jer ceo kontekst ovo potvrdjuje:

Stih/odeljak: Dela apostolska 7:59

Daničić-Karadžić (RDK):

59 I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.

Dimitrije Stefanović (DS):

59 I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse, primi duh moj!

Bible in Basic English (BBE):

59 And Stephen, while he was being stoned, made prayer to God, saying, Lord Jesus, take my spirit.

 
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Naravno, tekst kaze da je Stefan prizivao Boga Isusa u svojoj molitvi, jer ceo kontekst ovo potvrdjuje:
Stih/odeljak: Dela apostolska 7:59

Daničić-Karadžić (RDK):

59 I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.

Dimitrije Stefanović (DS):

59 I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse, primi duh moj!

Bible in Basic English (BBE):

59 And Stephen, while he was being stoned, made prayer to God, saying, Lord Jesus, take my spirit.

Aha! A sad mi kaži šta treba da bude napisano tamo gde je "God" Šta?
Zašto kasapiš Božiju reč?

Šta Biblija kaže, koliko jedan čovek Božiji Bogova treba da ima, Koliko?

Šta Isus kaže ko je Bog i Otac naš, Šta?


Šta Isus kaže, kome se samo treba moliti, Kome?
Zašto kasapiš Božiju reč, Zašto?

Zašto oduzimaš Božije reči? Zašto dodaješ ono što Biblija ne naučava, Zašto? Zato da bi ko dobri sluga iz Sotoninog kluba širio njegove Dezinformacije, Zato?

Šta sam ja tebi odgovorio, Šta?
Kome se Stefan molio, kome? I
Šta je Stefan govorio da je Isus, Šta?
 
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Ovaj kontekst.

http://serbianforum.org/threads/ime-boga-biblijskoga.500708/page-13#post-1388377

Ja sam upravo to i napisao, i tako i pise u bibliji:

STEFAN SE MOLI ISUSU BOGU:

"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre"
( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )

Dakle, tekst jasno kaze da se Stefan Molio Bogu Isusu da primi njegov duh i da im ne primi taj greh.

7:59 — Da li se Stjepan molio Isusu? Nije. Mi smijemo obožavati samo Jehovu Boga, a samim tim i moliti se samo njemu (Luka 4:8; 6:12). U normalnim okolnostima Stjepan bi se pomolio Jehovi u Isusovo ime (Ivan 15:16). No ovom je prilikom u viziji vidio “Sina čovječjeg kako stoji zdesna Bogu” (Djela 7:56). Budući da je znao da je Isus dobio moć da uskrsava umrle, Stjepan se obratio izravno Isusu i tražio je od njega da čuva njegov duh, odnosno da ga se sjeti prilikom uskrsnuća, ali nije mu se molio (Ivan 5:27-29).

I dok su ga kamenovali, Stjepan je zazivao: “Gospodine Isuse, primi duh moj!” 60 Zatim je kleknuo i povikao na sav glas: “Jehova, ne uzmi im ovo za grijeh!” Rekavši to, umro je.

Dakle nije molio nego zazivao a to je razlika
ovo nije nikakva molitva.

‘Ali’, mogao bi netko pitati, ‘zar Biblija ne izvještava da su i učenik Stjepan kao i apostol Ivan razgovarali s Isusom koji je bio na nebu?’ To je točno. Međutim, ovi događaji nisu uključivali molitve, jer su i Stjepan i Ivan vidjeli Isusa u viziji i direktno s njim razgovarali (Djela apostolska 7:56, 59; Otkrivenje 1:17-19; 22:20). Imaj na umu da samo razgovor, pa čak i s Bogom, sam po sebi ne čini molitvu. Adam i Eva su razgovarali s Bogom, pronalazili izgovore za svoj veliki grijeh no onda ih je On osudio zbog njihovog grijeha u Edenu. Takav razgovor s njim nije bio molitva (1. Mojsijeva 3:8-19). Stoga bi bilo neispravno citirati Stjepanov ili Ivanov razgovor s Isusom kao dokaz da bi se zapravo trebali moliti njemu.
 
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Ponavljam: Ne upotrebljavajte preveliki font u postovima! Nemojte se iznenaditi ako vam postovi sa takvim fontom budu brisani.

Takođe napominjem da nije dozvoljeno ponavljati iste postove.
 
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Pojedini odgovori na postavljene dokaze ovom forumu su za rubriku "Verovali ili ne"

Stvarno je ne moguce da neko moze da bude toliko neobjektivan i da izvrce rec Bozju - a da ujedno osudjuje druge da to cine.

Biblija je vrlo jasna.
Isus je zazivao Boga Isusa, i njemu se obracao kao Bogu da uzme njegov duh, ida im ovo ne primi kao greh


"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre" ( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )

RAZLICITI PREVODI:


Daničić-Karadžić (RDK):

59 I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.

Dimitrije Stefanović (DS):

59 I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse, primi duh moj!

Bible in Basic English (BBE):

59 And Stephen, while he was being stoned, made prayer to God, saying, Lord Jesus, take my spirit.
 
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Stvarno je ne moguce da neko moze da bude toliko neobjektivan i da izvrce rec Bozju - a da ujedno osudjuje druge da to cine.
Biblija je vrlo jasna.

Obriso sam ti hulu a ti se moli za oprost onom kom se Isus molio jer je za njega reko da mu je i Otac i Bog.

"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre" ( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )

Upravo to i mi ovde govorimo! Stefan se moljaše Bogu(a svi mi znamo da jedan je samo Bog i Otac naš JEHOVA, nisu valjda TRI)
Dakle moljaše se Stefan JEDINOME Bogu našemu i govoraše: Master Isuse! Primi duh moj.

Šta kažu Adventisti!
Samo oni pod opijatima ne svataju ko je jedini YHWH Bog a ko je Master Isus! tako Laodikeja, ha?
 
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Ti ovaj tekst tumacis proizvoljno sa tvoje licne tacke gledista i uverenja da Isus nije vecni Bog zajedno sa Ocem.

Ja ga sagledavam u kontekstu biblije koji govori da je Isus Bog jednak Ocu.
Taj kontekst sve vreme iznosim na ovom mestu - pracen jasnim dokazima da je ovo susta potpuna istina..

Dakle, Stefan se obraca Bogu Isusu i moli ga da on ( Isus ) primi njegov duh.
Takodje, da on ( Isus ) ne primi ovaj greh ljudi koji su ga ubijali.

"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre" ( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )
 
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Ti ovaj tekst tumacis proizvoljno sa tvoje licne tacke gledista i uverenja da Isus nije vecni Bog zajedno sa Ocem.

Ja ga sagledavam u kontekstu biblije koji govori da je Isus Bog jednak Ocu.
Taj kontekst sve vreme iznosim na ovom mestu - pracen jasnim dokazima da je ovo susta potpuna istina..

Dakle, Stefan se obraca Bogu Isusu i moli ga da on ( Isus ) primi njegov duh.
Takodje, da on ( Isus ) ne primi ovaj greh ljudi koji su ga ubijali.

"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre" ( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )


Koji stih?

Acts 7

7:1 Then said the high priest, Are these things so?

7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The Elohim of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

7:6 And Elohim spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.

7:7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said YHWH: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.

7:9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but Elohim was with him,

7:10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.

7:11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.

7:12 But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first.

7:13 And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.

7:14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.

7:15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers,

7:16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.

7:17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which Elohim had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,

7:18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph.

7:19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.

7:20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:

7:21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.

7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

7:23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.

7:24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:

7:25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that Elohim by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

7:26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another?

7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?

7:28 Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday?

7:29 Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons.

7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of YHWH in a flame of fire in a bush.

7:31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of YHWH came unto him,

7:32 Saying, I am the Elohim of thy fathers, the Elohim of Abrham, and the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.

7:33 Then said YHWH to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is set-apart ground.

7:34 I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt.

7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did YHWH send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.

7:36 He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.

7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall YHWH your Elohim raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

7:38 This is he, that was in the assembly in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us mighty ones to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

7:42 Then Elohim turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your mighty one Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.

7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Joshua into the possession of the Gentiles, whom Elohim drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

7:46 Who found favour before YHWH, and desired to find a tabernacle for the Elohim of Jacob.

7:47 But Solomon built him an house.

7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith YHWH: or what is the place of my rest?

7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Set-apart Spirit: as your fathers did, so do ye.

7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

7:55 But he, being full of the Set-apart Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of YHWH, and Yahushua standing on the right hand of the Most High,

7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of YHWH.

7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon Elohim, and saying, Master Yahushua, receive my spirit.

7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Yahushua, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.


Šta tu piše, šta je i ko je Yahushua?
Lepo piše da je "ON" Master a Stefan se molio Bogu! ko je sad po Adventizmu taj Master?
Još bolje pojasni mi ko je po Adventizmu Bog, ko je YHWH i ko je vama Master?
 
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Opet izvrces.

"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre"
( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )

Tekst dakle kaze "koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse!"

Izraz "moljase Bogu" i " i govorase Gospode Isuse!" pretstavlja jednu licnost, i znaci da se Stefan molio Bogu recima "GOSPODE ISUSE primi Duh moj"

Biblija napominje da se time sto je rekao "GOSPODE ISUSE" Stefan ustvari molio Isusu kao Bogu, i mozda cak to i izgovorio ali nije zapisano, vec samo ove reci molitve.

Biblija ne pretpostavlja, ona tacno zna sta je Stefan cinio, a to je - da se molio Bogu Isusu.
 
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Opet izvrces.

"I zasipahu kamenjem Stefana, koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse! Primi duh moj.
Onda kleče na kolena i povika glasno: Gospode! Ne primi im ovo za greh. I ovo rekavši umre"
( dela apostolska 7. 59 - 60 )

Tekst dakle kaze "koji se moljaše Bogu i govoraše: Gospode Isuse!"

Izraz "moljase Bogu" i " i govorase Gospode Isuse!" pretstavlja jednu licnost, i znaci da se Stefan molio Bogu recima "GOSPODE ISUSE primi Duh moj"

Biblija napominje da se time sto je rekao "GOSPODE ISUSE" Stefan ustvari molio Isusu kao Bogu, i mozda cak to i izgovorio ali nije zapisano, vec samo ove reci molitve.

Biblija ne pretpostavlja, ona tacno zna sta je Stefan cinio, a to je - da se molio Bogu Isusu.


Naravno kolega da se svi oni koji sebe smatraju za Hristove sledbenike mole nako kako je Gospod naš Isus Hristos učio da se trebamo moliti. Dakle molimo se svi pa i i Stefan se molio BOGU neće se valjda moliti TRIJADI paganskog božanstva?
Dakle moliti se treba samo Bogu Ocu! A vi Adventisti kome se vi molite i da li i vi poštujete ono što je Gospod Isus učio?
Imaš li ti obraza da sebe ubrajaš u Hritove sledbenika ako ne slediš ono što je on učio?

Biblija napominje da se time sto je rekao "GOSPODE ISUSE" Stefan ustvari molio Isusu kao Bogu, i mozda cak to i izgovorio ali nije zapisano, vec samo ove reci molitve.

Ne! kasapiš Božiju reč! lepo piše da se Isus molio "BOGU" a hrišćani dobro znaju ko im je taj JEDAN i JEDINI BOG! Isus se molio svom Bogu i Ocu kao i Stefan što se molio Bogu. Svi se mi molimo samo Bogu, tom jednom istinitom Bogu, a sve molitve se donose u ime Isusa Hrista, što znači JEHOVA je SPASENJE, JEHOVA SPAŠAVA a to opet znači da JEHOVA je naš SPASITELJ.

A ti kasapi Božije reči i bogohuli jer nemaš još mnogo vremena, obraduj si učitelja kao dobri sluga.
 
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