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Postovanje brate Gero,
Sad si otkrio veliku "tajnu" mora da je i ona masonska. Kad ti postavis tekst, ja stojima sa metlom i sve cistima. Je li tako?

Ja sam video da si u dva posta postavio iste slike, pa sam se nasalio sa tobom i zahvalio na duplikatu, ali post nisma ni procitao a on je nestao. Pokusao sam da izbrisem taj moj komjentar, ali nisma uspeo.
A ti si moj Gero i u tome video nekakvu tajnu organizaciju.

A posebno sam se ismejao kad si posumnjao da ti Adventisti salju viruse.
Gero brate, sta ces ti jos da izmislis. Predlazem ti da patentiras te izume zaista su jedinstveni.

Pored svega, hvala na humoru.

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Jos jednom primite moje Izvinjenje.

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Why would Freemasons want to infiltrate religions?

According Albert Pike, Grand Commander and Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, the purpose of infiltrating religions is to corrupt them and fill them with error.
Religion, to obtain currency and influence with the great mass of mankind, must needs to be alloyed [mixed] with such an amount of error as to place it far below the standard attainable by the higher human capacities.” “What is Truth to the philosopher, would not be Truth, nor have the effect of Truth, to the peasant. The religion of the Many must necessarily be more incorrect than that of the refined and reflective few…” The truest religion would, in many points, not be comprehended by the ignorant, nor consolatory to them, nor guiding and supporting for them. The doctrines of the bible are often not clothed in the language of strict truth, but in that which was fittest to convey to a rude and ignorant people the practical essentials of the doctrine. A perfectly pure faith, free from all extraneous admixtures, a system of noble theism and lofty morality, would find too little preparation for it in the common mind and hear, to admit of prompt reception by the masses of mankind; and Truth might no have reached us, if it had no borrowed the wings of Error.” (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 224, Kessinger Publishing, 2004 edition) emphasis added
Did William Miller ever repent from his Masonic occult activities? It is possible that he did, but one interesting and suspicious fact that draws attention is that he resigned from the Lodge less than a month after he started to preach about the end of the world:
It cannot be coincidental that Miller resigned from the Masons less than a month after his first public lecture on the end of the world.” (David L. Rowe, God’s Strange Work, William Miller and the End of the World, Rowe: 2008, p. 94), (Washington Association Minutes, 1828)
Another surprising fact takes place many years after Miller supposedly resigned from Freemasonry. An interesting comment from him was found in a letter sent to Truman Hendryx, April 10,1833, written by Miller himself, where at that point he was still showing neither repentance nor remorse about his “previous” Masonic activities.
I never said nor practiced, anything knowingly to injure my country, the Church of Christ, or my fellow creatures.” (Miller to Truman Hendryx, April 10, 1833, Miller Letters)
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MILLER PROPHETIC CHART THAT LED THEM TO THE 1844 GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT

Miller remained a Freemason for 15 years after becoming a Baptist. It wasn’t until 1831 that he wrote a letter of resignation, probably not because there was anything wrong about being a Freemason but according to him “to consilliate the feelings of my Brethren in Christ” and to avoid “fellowship with any practice that may be incompatible with the Word of God among masons”. (September 10, 1831, Miller Farm), (David L. Rowe, God’s Strange Work, William Miller and the End of the World, Rowe: 2008, p. 93,94) Bold added by blog
WILLIAM MILLER’S APOCALYPSE AS DEPICTED IN NEWSPAPER DURING THE TIME OF THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT

After many failed attempts in setting dates for the end of the world, Miller accepted his failure as a prophet and retired in shame. There was a jump in membership in the Shakers and other movements after the Great Disappointment but most returned to mainstream Protestantism. A small group remained true to Miller’s teachings; they grew into the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. Miller himself never truly recovered; he died in 1849 at the age of 67. Some of his failed Apocalyptic prophetic dates where: April 23, 1843, March 21, 1843, March 21, 1844, April 18, 1844, August 1844 and finally October 21, 1844. Was Miller warned against his date setting activities? Yes! Let’s see all the warnings:

  1. “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matthew 24:36-37 NIV1984)
  2. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.” (Mark 13:32-33 NIV1984)
  3. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.” (Matthew 24:42 NIV1984)
  4. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” (Matthew 24:44 NIV1984)
  5. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.” (Matthew 25:13 NIV1984)
  6. “Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.” (Mark 13:35 NIV1984)
  7. “Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. “(1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 NIV1984)
  8. “He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.” (Acts 1:7 NIV 1984)
ANTI-MILLERITE CARTOON – 1843 NEWSPAPER

What Bible was Mr. Miller reading? Didn’t he know that Jesus and the apostles strongly condemned this type of date setting activity? Walter Martin’s book “The Kingdom of the Cults”, compares two positions, “Miller versus the Scriptures:
God declared that no man would know the time; Miller stated that he did know the time. God said the times and seasons were within His own power; the Millerites declared that they had the prophetic key given to them. Jesus Christ stated, “No man knows the day or the hour”, but the Millerites set the exact day (October 22, 1844). And history bears a bitter record of their terrible disappointment.” (Walter Martin, The Kingdom of the Cults, p. 539, Ravi Zacharias edition, 2003)
Hiram Edson 1806-1882 After the false prophesy of 1844, a man named Hiram Edson claimed to have received “new light”. Edson commissioned Owen Russell Loomis Crosier to publish the new doctrine of the investigative judgement in the local Day-Star extra newspaper February 7, 1846. Edson meanwhile had sent copies of his new doctrines to as many addresses he could gather. Soon the story would reach James White. Later on, Ellen White would claim that her prophetic visions gave her true interpretation of William Miller 1843-1844 false prophecies. Did Freemasonry stop with William Miller? What about Ellen and James White? Before we continue with the Seventh-Day Adventist, let’s just make a short pause and have a quick review of the symbolic meaning of signs and gestures in historical Freemasonry. That will help us understand a little bit better where all of this sectarian indoctrination comes from. Signs and Gestures Used by Members of Secret Societies

According to the article The Hidden Hand that Shaped History, in Freemasonry, signs and gestures have a symbolic meaning:
The symbolic significance of this gesture might explain the reason why it is so widely used by famous Masons. The hidden hand lets the other initiates know that the individual depicted is part of this secret Brotherhood and that his actions were inspired by the Masonic philosophy and beliefs. Furthermore, the hand that executes the actions is hidden behind cloth, which can symbolically refer to covert nature of the Mason’s actions.” (The Vigilant Citizen, The Hidden Hand that Shaped History, Vigilant Report Oct. 20, 2009)
Let’s take a look at some famous men who used their hidden hand to shape history. Since some of them are so well-known, I will not need to describe them all. LEFT TO RIGHT: JOSEPH STALIN, GEORGE WASHINGTON, NAPOLEON BONAPARTE, KARL MARX AND SIMON BOLIVAR

LEFT TO RIGHT: ALESSANDRO DI CAGLIOSTRO (OCCULTIST), THOMAS COCHRANE (10TH EARL OF DUNDONALD), ABRAHAM WHIPPLE (AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY NAVAL COMMANDER), FREIHERR ADOLPH KNIGGE (MEMBER OF THE BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI)

FROM LEFT TO RIGHT: SOLOMON ROTHSCHILD, MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE, AMADEUS MOZART, GEORGE WASHINGTON




The picture above shows the occult Book of Fate and Oraculum. Note the illustration of Napoleon giving the hidden hand gesture at the beginning of the book. According to some accounts, the book, known to Napoleon as “The Oraculum“, helped him in many of his historical enterprises.
Napoleon was also said to be aided by occult powers. In 1813 he was defeated at Leipzip and behind him was a ‘Cabinet of Curiosities’ in which a Prussian officer discovered his Book of Fate and Oraculum. Originally this Oraculum was discovered in one of the Royal tombs of Egypt during a French military expedition of 1801. The emperor ordered the manuscript to be translated by a famous German scholar and antiquarian. From that time onward, the Oraculum was one of Napoleon’s most treasured possessions. He consulted it on many occasions and it is said to have ‘formed a stimulus to his most speculative and most successful enterprises’.”(The Vigilant Citizen, The Hidden Hand that Shaped History, Vigilant Report Oct. 20, 2009)
Now with this is mind, let us proceed with the Seventh-Day Adventist Mystery Babylon Connection. Seventh-Day Adventists, from Cult to Occult

THE WHITE FAMILY (1865) – FROM LEFT TO RIGHT: ELLEN, WILLIAM (WILLIE), JAMES AND EDSON (WHITE ESTATE PHOTO)

The following segment will document substantial visual proof that the first family of the Seventh-Day Adventists was involved in the cult of Freemasonry. In the next photograph observe carefully the hidden hand sign of James White standing behind Ellen White. If you think this is a mere coincidence, keep reading. HORNELLSVILE, N.Y. CAMP MEETING 1880 – OBSERVE JAMES WHITE’S POSTURE BEHIND ELLEN G. WHITE


“KNIGHTS OF THE CHRISTIAN MARK”.

TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT JAMES WHITE GIVING THE SIGN OF THE “KNIGHTS OF THE CHRISTIAN MARK”

Invincible Order of the “Knights of the Christian Mark”


Twice in the Knights of the Christian Mark Masonic Initiation Ritual, it has been revealed in Elder David Bernand’s Book Light on Masonry that Pope Sylvester and Pope Alexander are both invoked. (David Bernard, Light on Masonry, pp. 168, 170, published 1829) The following is an extract of the Initiation Ritual for the “Knights of the Christian Mark” Masonic Order. For better resolution please click on the image:





The following photographs reveal James Edson White and Ellen G. White displaying Masonic postures. Observe and compare them. ON THE LEFT IS J. EDSON WHITE (ELLEN’s SON) DISPLAYING THE “SING OF THE MASTER SECOND VEIL”


ELLEN WHITE DISPLAYING THE “SING OF THE FELLOW CRAFT” – A PICTURE SAYS MORE THAN A THOUSAND WORDS…

According to the book The Art and Architecture of Freemasonry by James Sevens Curl, “the left hand is the symbol of equity”, page 238.
Ellen White would display her second degree left-handed Masonic sign to initiate the “equity” of the first black leaders of Oakwood Educational Institution. She and her son Edson would boldly flash their allegiances to the Satanic Mystery Religion of snake cult Freemasonry.” (Seventh-Day Abomination Documentary)
COMPARE ELLEN’S POSTURE TO ANN BESANT (CENTER), FOUNDER OF MASONRY FOR WOMEN IN AMERICA

HONORABLE MRS. ALDWORTH “THE FEMALE FREEMASON”

For those who don’t believe that women can be accepted in the Masonic order, the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry says the opposite. In fact, on page 353 you will find a picture of Mrs. Elizabeth Aldworth (above) as Lady Freemason. Observe the posture of Elizabeth Aldworth posing as “The Female Freemason”. Source: (Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon)
TWO WOMEN GIVING THE “SIGN OF THE FELLOW CRAFT” AT SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CAMP MEETING

ANOTHER MASON LEADER GIVING THE SIGN OF THE “MASTER SECOND VEIL” AT THE SDA CAMP MEETING

“LADY FREEMASON MRS. ELIZABETH ALDWORTH.” ALSO FOUND IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FREEMASONRY, p.353, BY ALBERT MACKEY, 33°

Above Image ID: 495465
Hon. Mrs. Elizabeth Aldworth – the Female Freemason; Fac-simile of the jewel worn by the honorable Mrs. Aldworth; Insc… [National Freemasons, vol. VIII, no. 19, New York City, May 1...] (1867) Observe the All-Seeing Eye of Freemasonry on the letterhead of the National Freemasons newspaper (previous photo), the same All-Seeing Eye used by James and Ellen White in “The Way of Life” lithograph (next photo). “THE WAY OF LIFE” LITHOGRAPH CONCEIVED BY JAMES AND ELLEN WHITE, 1874

Original lithograph is located at Loma Linda University, White Estate Photographs:
To see original in Loma Linda University click on the following link:


SDA ELDER WIL ""Way of Life"" lithograph conceived by James and Ellen White, 1874. :: White Estate Photographs LIAM C. GAGE – EXPERT LITHOGRAPHER FOR THE REVIEW AND HERALD (WHITE ESTATE PHOTO)

Photo located at: (Loma Linda University Digital Archive, White Estate photos)


William C. Gage was president and founder of the Gage Printing Company. Gage was also Mayor of the City of Battle Creek, Michigan. He was an expert printer and Lithographer and for many years was engaged in the office of the Review and Herald, publishing company of the Seventh Day Adventists. (The Inland printer/American lithographer, Vol 40, p. 257, 1908)
NATHANIEL C. McCLURE, PRESIDENT OF THE SDA CALIFORNIA CONFERENCE (1890-1891, 1894-1896)

The previous photo is from Nathaniel C. McClure. He wastwice elected as president of the Seventh-Day Adventist California Conference, serving from 1890-1891 and again from 1894-1896. (Sources: The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, Vol. 97, No. 5, Jan. 29, 1920 (obituary of N. C. McClure), (Northern California Conference of the Seventh-Day Adventist website article on N.C. McClure)
In the next photo observe carefully all the Masonic leaders surrounding Ellen White. The leaders are purposely giving the ”Master of the Second Veil” hidden hand sign. Observe N.C. McClure, President of the SDA California Conference, sitting next to Ellen. They would all be active members of the Satanic Fraternal Cult of Freemasonry; and would plainly declare in this 1888 photo at a Reno, Nevada Camp Meeting, their secret allegiance by displaying the “Master of the Second Veil” hidden hand sign. Please click on the photo to have a better look. Ellen G. White spent all her “ministry” surrounded by masons who helped her continue the dark agenda of corrupting the Gospel of Grace by Gnostic Law keeping. It is embarrassing to know that while Ms White was supposedly presenting herself as a prophet to lead congregations, she was also participating with secret societies in the unfruitful deeds of darkness. Galatians 3:10-14
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.” (Galatians 3:10-14 NIV 1984)
N.D. FAULKHEAD

The N.D. Faulkhead Fraudulent Story

While James and Edson White were proven to be practicing Masons; one of Ellen White duplicitous acts of deception, that to this day is still accepted as proof that Ellen White is a prophet of God, would take place in Australia.
Almost one month of travel on the seas, she and her son along with her three literary assistants arrived in Sydney Harbor on December 8, 1891.” (Ellen White, Woman of Vision, p. 276)
The following year, on the account of Ellen White converting an Australian man named N.D. Faulkhead, would come to be the apologetic response the hierarchy in Seventh-Day Adventism would use to claim that Ellen White was opposed to “Secret Societies” and Freemasonry. On December 13, 1892 a board meeting was called in which William White said to N.D. Faulkhead “Mother wishes to see you before you leave”. The meeting was supposedly set to confront N.D. Faulkhead on his “loosing out spiritually”, and giving his full-time work to the publishing house of the SDA in Australia. (Believe in His Prophets, chapter 8, p. 127) Ellen White would pseudo prophecy of “certain (Lodge) meetings that he (Faulkhead) had been attending and of what he had said in those meetings”. Ellen’s son and husband, being Masons themselves would give the information to Ellen White. She would write it down in a 50 page letter she read to N.D. Faulkhead, describing the ritual ceremonies. In it she would describe…
  • “where he had sat,” (the lodge sitting Faulkhead sat in as head of the lodge)
  • “the kind of seat on which he had sat,” (She already knew how the lodge was designed)
  • “the position that he occupied in the lodge.” (She would know that based on her husband and other Mason leaders like John Norton Loughborough and/or Edson White, all being Mason leaders in the SDA movement.
  • “and the attitude that he manifested in transacting its business, for he was one of its top-level men.”
Source: (Believe in His Prophets, chap. 8, pp. 128, 129) parenthetical explanations added
In the course of her description of what he had done and said, and the position he had occupied, she gave a sign with her hand, and said, “The angel gave me this message for you, but I cannot relate all that was given to me.” She stopped. “Why, Sister White,” he said, “do you know what you have done?” She was not aware that she had done anything unusual. Then he told her that she had given the secret sign that is known only to Masons.” “She went on a little longer, and told him that she had heard him addressed as “Worshipful Master” and other names or titles of that nature. She talked of Freemasonry and the impossibility of a man’s being a Freemason and a Seventh-day Adventist at the same time. Once more she made a certain movement that she said her attending angel had made to her.” “Again Mr. Faulkhead was startled and turned deathly pale. “Sister White, do you know what you have done? No woman knows that. No woman is ever allowed to hear or see what is going on in those meetings, and yet you have described a particular meeting in which I took a very important part, and you have told not only what I said, but what I did.” (Believe in His Prophets, chap. 8, pp. 128, 129)
Ellen White would claim that ”her attending angel” revealed the Knights Templars hand sign she showed to N.D. Faulkead. According to Arthur White (Ellen’s Grandson), these were N.D. Faulkhead words:
“I told her that she had given me the sign of a Knight Templar” said Faulkhead. (Ellen G. White Volume 4, The Australian Years 1891 – 1900, By Arthur White, p.52 / N.D. Faulkhead, Oct. 5, 1908)
N.D. Faulkhead would claim that the Lord had spoken to him through Ellen White’s revelation of his secret society activity. He would later see that as complete verification that he would resign from all lodges. Signing and giving approval to A.G. Daniels the day after to mail his resignation. Faulkhead would claim to have received opposition to his lodge resignation, “so he had to serve his terms of office another nine months… but he had taken a firm position and stood by it. Ellen White wrote encouraging letters in support of his stand. He was victorious at last.”
With the expiration of his term as officer of several of the lodges, the complete victory was won, and Mr. Faulkhead was able, on September 18, 1893, to write to Ellen White and her son.” “Dear Brother and Sister White: It gives me much pleasure to tell you that my term of office as Master of the Masonic Lodge expired last month. And I feel to thank God for it.” (Ellen G. White Volume 4, The Australian Years 1891 – 1900, By Arthur White, p.55 / N.D. Faulkhead, Oct. 5, 1908) Emphasis added
Not only is this story a fictitious lie, but the verifiable proof is here. The whole thing was an invented story that needed to be explained. Later on, Arthur White (Ellen’s Grandson) would have to go on damage control mode and add more to it to continue the lie. The following document for the State Library of Victoria, Australia, will prove the whole story as a fabricated lie just to hide their own masonic activities. THE MASONS GROUP – STATE LIBRARY OF VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA, PHOTO DATED 1896

The information in the document above reads:
Masons group Andrew Barrie, Henry Weedon
Date(s) of creation: 1896
1 photograph: album silver: 11.2 X 18.5 cm
Reproduction rights own by the State Library of Victoria
Accession No: H96.160/490
Image No: cc000486 This photo dated 1896 by the State Library of Victoria, not only reveals N.D. Faulkhead did not leave his Masonic affiliation in 1893, but the “complete victory” as Ellen White’s grandson Arthur L. White claimed, was the continuation of perpetuating the deceptive lie of Ellen White being a prophet. STATE LIBRARY OF VICTORIA AUSTRALIA PROVING THAT N.D. FAULKHEAD WAS STILL A FREEMASON IN 1896

According to the SDA publication, N.D. Faulkhead would still be “the treasurer” of Echo Publishing Company during the same year (1896) this photo was taken.
The entitled prefix of the photo is called “Mason Group”


STATE LIBRARY OF VICTORIA PHOTO PROVES THAT N.D. FAULKHEAD WAS STILL A FREEMASON IN 1896

Above: Lord Brassey, Governor of Victoria, would be front and center of the photo. LORD BRASSEY, GOVERNOR OF VICTORIA



Milton Raymond Hook, a Seventh-Day Adventist Religious Educator, Author and Church Historian says in reference to N.D. Faulkhead:
Faulkhead apparently reduced his attendance and membership of some Masonic Orders quite drastically but did not cut himself off completely. Masonic records show that he resigned from the United Grand Lodge in June 1894, but was re-affiliated in 1896. He still maintained the friendly business contacts which brought a steady flow of non-denominational printing work. In 1923, while waiting for a train to take him home one evening, he collapsed and died on the Malvern station platform. Services were held at both the Windsor and Warburton churches, and the Freemasons conducted the graveside ceremony.” (Milton R. Hook, Letters to Aussie Colonials: Case studies from the E.G. White Letters, Seventh-day Adventist Heritage Series, pp. 3,4)
Conclusion:


My personal advise; if you are an honest and humble Christian looking for the truth, you have already found it. The truth is Jesus Christ the Son of God and He lives in your heart. Get out of this religious institution while you still can. You are being deceived…
Leave the Cult and Follow Jesus Christ


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The Following are More Examples of Hidden Hands that Shaped History


FROM LEFT TO RIGHT: NAPOLEON III (NEPHEW OF NAPOLEON BONAPARTE), ABRAHAM LINCOLN, FREDERIC AUGUSTE BARTHOLDI, NATHAN ROTHSCHILD, FRANCISCO PIZARRO

LEFT TO RIGHT: JOHN WILKES BOOTH, FRANKLIN PIERCE, JAMES A. GARFIELD, RUTHERFORD B. HAYES, ANDREW JOHNSON.

The individuals above are: John Wilkes Booth (Assassinated President Lincoln), Franklin Pierce (14th President of the United states), James Garfield (20th President of the United States), Rutherford B. Hayes (19th President of the United States), Andrew Johnson (17th President of the United States and 1st President to be impeached). LEFT TO RIGHT: FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, VLADIMIR LENIN, MIKHAIL KATKOV, SETH READ, GIACOMO ANTONELLI

Description of the individuals above:
  • Friedrich Nietzsche (1844–1900): German philosopher that started the “God is Dead” movement. He also was an early influence of what would later become Nazi ideology.
  • Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924): Russian Communist revolutionary responsible for the bloody 1917 Russian Revolution
  • Mikhail Katkov (1818-1887): Russian occultist, journalist and publisher of Moscow Gazette and also many books for Occultist Helena Blavatsky
  • Seth Read (1746–1797): The man Instrumental in putting the Latin motto “E PLURIBUS UNUM” (Out of Many, One) on U.S. coins.
  • Giacomo Antonelli (1806–1876): Powerful influential Cardinal and Secretary of the Papal States under Pope Pius IX. Antonelli was involved in the 1865 plot to assassinate President Abraham Lincoln.
LEFT TO RIGHT: WILLIAM TECUMSEH SHERMAN, WILLIAM EWART GLADSTON, ELISHA HHUNT RHODES, JOHANN WOLFGANG GOETHE

Description of the individuals above:
  • William Tecumseh Sherman (1820-1891): American Civil War Union General
  • William Ewart Gladstone (1809-1898): Four times Prime Minister of England
  • Elisha Hunt Rhodes (1842-1917): Civil War Union Army Lieutenant and Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Rhode Island.
  • Johann Wolfgang Goethe (1749-1832): Famous German writer, artist, and politician.
  • Joseph Smith III (1832–1914): Eldest surviving son of Joseph Smith, Jr., founder of the Latter Day Saint movement known as (Mormons).
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Dugujem vam izvinjene za post koji niste dirali (Izvinjavam se brate Miko,Ladokeja)Da me jurka obavestio ranije na PP ne bih napao vas,a da mi je neko napao komp to je istina,mozda se desilo u isto vreme kad i post obrisan,ma ko zna ko je to bio.Ja kopam po celom internetu! Jos jednom primite moje Izvinjenje. Pozdrav od Gere.
Gero brate, iako sa celim srcem primamo tvoje izvinjenje, to je bratski i hirscanski, ali nema potrebe da se izvinjavas mi smo to ionako priuhvatili kao humor. Sve najbolje
 
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Ne bih da se mesam u vas diskusiju ko je veca a ko manja sekta ali imate 99% slicnosti od cega vam je najbitnija Jesua mesija.
Iako nisam verovao u magije koje izvodi u pricama vrlo slicnim Ilijadi i Odiseji, mislio sam da je mozda i postojao ekscentricni propovednik, koji je bio malo progresivniji u odnosu na ostatak plemena. Ali onda sam poceo da posvecujem malo vise paznje istoriji.

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UPOZORENJE!!! predavanje drzi ateista u prostoriji punoj ateista. Ne preporucuje se osobama slabog uma, moze imati posledica po dusu!
 
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Azazael


Mislim da smo jednu temu preleteli i da će brzo otići u zaborav, ili su majstori spamovanja vešto je izbegli, a ona je veoma važna da bi LAKŠE I BRŽE UTVRDILI KO STOJI IZA ADVENTISTA !

To je PRENOŠENJE NAŠIH GREHA NA SOTONU, i njegovo uništenje u jezeru ognjenom:
A to im je takođe velika JERESA, koju moramo utvrditi i preneti dalje drugima.

Evo ovako stoje stvari u vezi dva jaca iz 3-će Mojsijeve 16-te glave i nauke Adventističke Crkve o prenosu greha na sotonu:
Sa malom napomenom da nam NIKADA NISU DALI REFERENCE od EGW da je na to mislila kada je pisala u Velikoj Borbi o prenosu greha na sotonu !

Oba JARCA se uzimaju od Jevreja za žrtvovanje jednog. Pošto se baca kocka, Jevreji neznaju na koga će pasti - Znači oba jarca su od godinu dana bez mane, kakav je Mojsijev zakon o žrtvenim životinjama. (stihovi 5-9).
Kada se baci ždreb jedan jarac se prinosi na žrtvu, a njegova krv se unosi u Svetinju nad Svetinjama radi očišćenja. Sve se ovo dešava na Yom Kipur – sveti dan kod Jevreja koji se dešava 1 X godišnje....( stihovi 15-17).
Jarac na koji padne ždreba da se odvede u pustinju za Azazaela se pušta. (stih 10).

Znači sada ovde imamo delikatnu situaciju:

1. Da je sotona i Azazael i JARAC ! Apsolutno nelogično. Kako može sotonu da puštamo sotoni !?
Kako jarac na koga smo preneli naše grehe je sotona, a onda on ide sotoni ?

2. Pošto su oba jarca od godinu dana i bez mane – Po Adventistima ispada da je jedan Hrist a drugi sotona – Odnosno da ista stvar predstavlja dve potpuno rzličite ličnosti !? A to se opet ne uklapa po Bibliji (Јован 14:30 Већ нећу много говорити с вама; јер иде кнез овог света, и у мени нема ништа.) !?
Nemoguće je da ista životinja – Jarac od godinu dana, bez mane, na koga se prebacuju naši gresi – Predstavlja u jednom slučaju Hrista, a u drugom sotonu. Praktično znači da ih izjednačavamo !? A vidimo po Pismu da oni nemaju ništa zajedničkog.

3. Pismo kaže da je JARAC u starozavetnoj tipologoiji uvek predstavljao Hrista (žrtva za greh) . Tako da jarac u Starom Zavetu nikako ne može predstavlajti sotonu !?

4. Pismo kaže da GREHE LJUDI, odnosno celog čovečanstva uzima Hrist ( Јован 1:29 А сутрадан виде Јован Исуса где иде к њему, и рече: Гле, јагње Божије које узе на се грехе света.
1.
Коринћ.15:3 Јер вам најпре предадох шта и примих да Христос умре за грехе наше, по писму,
1. Јован 3:5 И знате да се Он јави да грехе наше узме; и греха у Њему нема. ) – Kako sada ovde uzima i Hrist i sotona naše grehe !?

5. Aron, a kasnije ostali prvosveštenici su ponavljali za Yom Kipur, ovaj ritual. Znači stavljali su ruke na jarčeve ispoveda grehe – Prenosi grehe na jarčeve! Što znači da su identični grehovi prešli na jarčeve. I ovog što se žrtvovao i ovaj što se puštao.
Što sada znači, po Adventistima, da iste grehe nosi i Hrist i đavo !? Kako je to moguće ?
To apsolutno ne stoji. Naše grehe nosi samo JEDNA OSOBA. I samo na JEDNU OSOBU su oni preneti – Na Isusa Hrista Mučenika, Spasitelja. Otkupitelja, našeg Boga !
A da su oni preneti i na sotonu, pa kasnije će on biti bačen u Pgnjeno jezero sa našim gresima je LJUDSKO TUMAČENJE – Koje nema utemeljenja u Bibliji !
Jer sada ispada (po Adventistima) da sotona uzima naše greha – Celog čovečanstva, zatim strada u Ognjenom jezeru – Što ispada da je on jadnik sada ŽRTVA !

Eto to je Adventistička nauka. A kada se sagledaju i ostale vaše nauke – Da je Hrist Arhanđel Mihail (u nekim trenucima); Da ne postoji pakao; Da cepanje zavese u trenutku Hristove smrti na krstu znači prestanak žrtava i prinosa u hramu,...................... i sve ostalo što smo do sada čuli i videli od Adventista – lako možemo zaključiti ko je tvorac OVE VAŠE NAUKE O PRENOŠENJU NAŠIH GREHA NA SOTONU !

6. Pismo kaže sledeće:

2. Петр. 3:16 Као што говори о овоме и у свима својим посланицама, у којима имају неке ствари тешке разумети, које ненаучени и неутврђени изврћу, као и остала писма, на своју погибао.
1. Коринћ. 13: [SUP]9[/SUP] Јер нешто знамо и нешто пророкујемо; [SUP]10[/SUP] А кад дође савршено, онда ће престати шта је нешто. [SUP]11[/SUP] Кад ја бејах мало дете као дете говорах, као дете мишљах, као дете размишљах; а кад постадох човек, одбацих детињство. [SUP]12[/SUP] Тако сад видимо као кроз стакло, у загонетки, а онда ћемо лицем к лицу; сад познајем нешто, а онда ћу познати као што сам познат.

Što znači da smo puno toga dobili u ZAGONETKAMA i da sada poznajemo PO NEŠTO i da ne trebamo neke TEŠKE STVARI pošto poto dešifrovati i razumeti, jer možemo ući u opasnost da IZVRĆEMO PISMO.....

A izveštaj iz 1. Mojsijeve 3,16 je itekako mističan i zagonetan. Zato ga niko nije pokušao ni sa sigurnošću dešifrovati, osim Adventista. Međutim u toj njihovoj nauci ima jako puno ’’tankog leda’’ na kog se možemo okliznuti, pasti i propasti........

Ja NE ZNAM ŠTA ZNAČI taj izveštaj iz 3-će Mojsijeve 16-ta glava. Ali znam da je Stari Zavet UKINUT i da ne važi za nas ! Prema tome zašto bih to pokušavao odgonetnuti. Za mene važi Hristov zakon ljubavi, a ne sotonski da izvrćem Pismo.

U razgovoru sa prijateljima, neformalno smo došli do zaključka da JARAC u oba slučaja predstavlja Hrista. U prvom slučaju (na koji je pao žreb za žrtvovanje) znači Hristovu smrt na Krstu Golgote. A u drugom slučaju (koji se pušta) predstavlja Hristovu kušnju u pustinji posle Njegovog krštenja na Jordanu. Jer upravo tada Jovan Krstitelj izgovara onu čuvenu rečenicu : ’’ А сутрадан виде Јован Исуса где иде к њему, и рече: Гле, јагње Божије које узе на се грехе света. ’’..... posle koje krštava Isusa, a onda On odlazi u pustinju da ga kuša Azazael (sotona). Znači Hrist (jarac koji se pušta) uzima grehe celog čovečanstva i odlazi 40 dana u pustinju da ga kuša đavo.
Ako bi mi se ovo tumačenje potvrdilo u bilo kakvom obliku – Ja bih sigurno sa njim i zvanično izašao u javnost, a do tada nek ostane samo u domenu istraživanja.

 
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Član
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Drugi jarac je Varava. Kao i ostale price iz biblije fikcija i plagijat na tudje fikcije. Varavu su pustili a Jesuu zrtvovali. Trivijalni i nebitni detalji iz judejske neoriginalne mitologije. Grcka mitologija je mnogo interesantnija.
 
Član
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Gero, pregledao sam tvoj post koji si postirao, i cudim se tebi da si to postirAO.
pRE SVAGA O TIMA SLIKAM SMO DISKUTOVSALI CEO MESEC DANA, PA NE MISLIS VALJDA DA CEMO PONOVO PONAVLJATI ISTO.

Druhgo, u tom postu natrpano je svega i svacerga da bi po kvantitetu izgledao ubedljiv kad nije po kvalitetu.
Kakve veze ima gde i kako ko drzi ruke? Mani se te ludosti, kao da samo masoni imaju ruke i smao oni odreduju kako treba a kako ne treba da se drze ruke?

Ceo taj poist je jedna besmislica sa mnogo laznih informacija, pa me cudi da si se i ti za njega zalepio.

Kad kazes da si to pokazao da bi nas uverio kako je to sve poceli i gde vas vodi.

Nemoj da me zasmejavas. Mislim da malo bolje znam gde i kako je pocelo i gde vodi ljude od tebe.

Iz svih slojeva drustva i svih zajednica, pojedinci su dosli u Adventisticku crkvu. Poznavao sma nekoliko njih kojiu su u Titovoj armiji bili ogficir, ateisti, pa su upoznali istinu i svoje zivote posvetili Bogu, pa sta mislis da li su oni manje vredni hriscani od tebe i mene koji nismo bili komunisti?

Drugo, postirasno je ovde na forum slucaj onaoga vaseljenskog patrijarha, mislim da se zvase Melentioj, za koga je Vladika Nikolaj tvrdio da je sa jos dva pravoslavna svestenika postao mason. Pa sta mislis da li su svi pravoslavci masoni? Svakako da nisu.
Ako pitas Zarka Gavrilovica, on tvrdi da mafija upravlja PC u Surbiji i da je prepravljena masonima. Ja licno ne mislim da je u pravu, uako je moguce da su neki pojednici i tamo zalutali.

Ja pozitivno znam da na Adventiste masoni nisu imali niikakvog upliva niti ga danas imaju.
Adventisti masone svrstavaju u grupu spiritista od kojih beze glavom bez obzira.

Ceo taj post je skupljen s brda i s dpola, ali bas nista nije dokazao, nego smerjuriju u kojoj je sve izmedsano.
Kakve veze imaju Adventisti sa Staljinom, Karlom Marksom, Napoleonom i drugima?
To samo sluziu za pranje mozga naivnima.
Zato brate Gero ako mislius da si time Adventistima nesto dokazao, porevario si se, poikazao si da se ljudi hvataju bilo kakvog nistavila da napadaju istinu , a to nam je odavno poznata taktika nerprijatelja. Ipak kje koroisno sto si i to postoirao, jer si nam dao priliku da iznesemo istinu.

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Član
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Drugi jarac je Varava. Kao i ostale price iz biblije fikcija i plagijat na tudje fikcije. Varavu su pustili a Jesuu zrtvovali. Trivijalni i nebitni detalji iz judejske neoriginalne mitologije. Grcka mitologija je mnogo interesantnija.
Ako je Varava drugi jarac - Imam dva pitanja za tebe:
1. Kako su gresi celog čovečanstva bačeni na njega, i
2. Kada je Varava otišao u pustinju sotoni.

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Član
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Kakvi gresi, ko je rodjen gresan, sta vam je ljudi? Da li je moguce da kad vidite bebu pomislite da je gresna?
Prethdne price o jarcevima su slicne ovoj, zato sam je naveo. Ako mislis da je sve sto pise u bibliji tacno, onda imam i ja pitanja za tebe.
Na koji dan je Isus umro?
Kad je bio na krstu izmedju dvojice razbojnika, sta su mu rekli?
Kad je isao kroz grad da ga razapnu da li je rekao nesto?
Sta je rekao trenutak pre nego sto je umro?
Jel mu je grob bio blokiran velikim kamenim tockom ili nije?
Ko je bio u grobnici kad su usle zene?
Ko su bile te zene?

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