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Da postoje podaci ti bi nas ovde vec takvima odavno zatrpavao. Znaci "ne postoje"!
Rivera je dusevni bolesnik, bar se tako tvrdi. Sve jedno i da nije, onda je prevarant, jer za svoje price nema dokaza...
Kakva informacija o upozorenju?
E kad bi se vatikan plasio adventista.
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Ko kaže da se Vatikan plaši Adventista, već su dali upozorenje da ne govore protiv Vatikana, i da je papa Antihrist.
Naravno, svako ko govori protiv novog svetskog poredka - biva diskreditovan, jer nemaju kon traargumente, pa idu lakšim putem, da nekoga proglase ludakom, ili prevarantom.
Naravno, svako ko govori protiv novog svetskog poredka - biva diskreditovan, jer nemaju kon traargumente, pa idu lakšim putem, da nekoga proglase ludakom, ili prevarantom.
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Upozorenje u kom smislu?
Mozda upozoravaju da ce vam zabraniti pristup SSC? Adventisticka crkva tamo ima ulogu posmatraca. Ako je to , to "nije prinuda"!
Pa normalno je da vi ne mozete tamo doci i grmeti protiv Pape, ako je cilj kooperacija i jedinstvo..
Zato vas i upozoravaju, da to ne cinite ni u savetu ni u propovedima ako zelite kooperaciju.. A vi cete naravno to svojim vernicima predstaviti u senzacionalistickom maniru!
Ili je nesto drugo?
Navedi tekst!
S druge strane knjigu VMR nije pisao adventista.
Katolici itekako imaju teoloske argumente, bukvalno vas razbijaju na tom polju, i nisu im potrebne nikakve "prinudne metode" i "laksi put" .
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Navodim izjavu Ralfa Vudroa, autora knjige "Vavilonska Misterijska Religija", u kojoj on objasnjava, zasto je "povukao knjigu", i "da to nema nikakve veze sa pretnjama vatikana i sl.", vec je shvatio da ako bismo koristili metodologiju koju je on koristio u svojoj knjizi "povezivanje i slicnosti" , da bi onda morali da tvrdimo da je cak i "kompletna Biblija paganskog porekla" jer sadrzi "slicnosti sa paganskim".
Navodim njegove reci, koje su na engleskom, a postavicu kasnije i prevod, nadam se, ako budem imao vremena:
Message from Ralph Woodrow regarding the book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION
For a number of years my book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION was very popular, enjoyed a wide circulation, and was translated into various languages. To this day, we do not cease to receive orders and inquiries about it. Despite its popularity, several years ago we pulled it out of print and now offer a replacement book THE BABYLON CONNECTION?
Because misinformation about this decision persists on the Internet, and in other ways, the aim of this article is to set the record straight.
According to one rumor, “the Catholics” put so much pressure on me, I had a heart attack and almost died! Consequently, I “recanted” and wrote the other book. There is no truth to this!
Another rumor is that my motives were financial—my desire was to be popular and make more money. To the contrary, BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION was extremely popular and provided more income to our ministry than all other books and offerings put together! We have faced much financial loss because of the decision to pull the book out of print.
Some letters we have received have been very warm, commending me for honesty and integrity, expressing appreciation for the clarification provided by the replacement book THE BABYLON CONNECTION? But other letters have been mean-spirited—that I am “stupid,” “scum,” “scared of the truth,” a “low down coward,” a “traitor to Christ,” following “a false god,” and am an “undercover Jesuit”! One even said, “I hope you die soon, I want you dead!”
It puzzles me how some can be so fanatical against one set of errors—or what they perceive to be errors—only to develop greater errors: becoming judgmental, hateful, and dishonest.
My original book had some valuable information in it. But it also contained certain teachings that were made popular in a book many years ago, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop. This book claims that the very religion of ancient Babylon, under the leadership of Nimrod and his wife, was later disguised with Christian-sounding names, becoming the Roman Catholic Church. Thus, two “Babylons"—one ancient and one modern. Proof for this is sought by citing numerous similarities in paganism. The problem with this method is this: in many cases there is no connection.
Let’s suppose that on May 10th a man was stabbed to death in Seattle. There were strong reasons for believing a certain person did it. He had motive. He was physically strong. He owned a large knife. He had a criminal record. He was known to have a violent temper and had threatened the victim in the past. All of these things would point to him as the murderer, except for one thing: on May 10th he was not in Seattle—he was in Florida!
So is it with the claims about pagan origins. What may seem to have a connection, upon further investigation, has no connection at all!
By this method, one could take virtually anything and do the same—even the “golden arches” at McDonald’s! The Encyclopedia Americana (article: “Arch") says the use of arches was known in Babylon as early as 2020 B.C. Since Babylon was called “the golden city” (Isa. 14:4), can there be any doubt about the origin of the golden arches? As silly as this is, this is the type of proof that has been offered over and over about pagan origins.
By this method, atheists have long sought to discredit the Bible and Christianity altogether—not just the Roman Catholic Church.
By this method, one could condemn Protestant and evangelical denominations like the Assemblies of God, Baptist, Church of Christ, Lutheran, Methodist, Nazarene, etc. Basic things like prayer, and kneeling in prayer, would have to be rejected, because pagans knelt and prayed to their gods. Water baptism would have to be rejected, for pagans had numerous rites involving water, etc.
By this method, the BIBLE itself would need to be rejected as pagan. All of the following practices or beliefs mentioned in the Bible, were also known among pagans—raising hands in worship, taking off shoes on holy ground, a holy mountain, a holy place in a temple, offering sacrifices without blemish, a sacred ark, city of refuge, bringing forth water from a rock, laws written on stone, fire appearing on a person’s head, horses of fire, the offering of first fruits, tithes, etc.
By this method, the LORD himself would be pagan. The woman called Mystery Babylon had a cup in her hand; the Lord has a cup in his hand (Psa. 75:8). Pagan kings sat on thrones and wore crowns; the Lord sits on a throne and wears a crown (Rev. 1:4; 14:14). Pagans worshipped the sun; the Lord is the “Sun of righteousness” (Mal. 4:2). Pagan gods were likened to stars; the Lord is called “the bright and morning star” (Rev. 22:16). Pagan gods had temples dedicated to them; the Lord has a temple (Rev. 7:15). Pagan gods were pictured with wings; the Lord is pictured with wings (Psa. 91:4).
Here is a list of the some of the unsubstantiated claims that are made about the religion of ancient Babylon:
• The Babylonians went to a confessional and confessed sins to priests who wore black clergy garments.
• Their king, Nimrod, was born on December 25. Round decorations on Christmas trees and round communion wafers honored him as the Sun-god.
• Sun-worshippers went to their temples weekly, on Sunday, to worship the Sun-god.
• Nimrod’s wife was Semiramis, who claimed to be the Virgin Queen of Heaven, and was the mother of Tammuz.
• Tammuz was killed by a wild boar when he was age 40; so 40 days of Lent were set aside to honor his death.
• The Babylonians wept for him on “Good Friday.” They worshipped a cross-the initial letter of his name.
It is amazing how unsubstantiated teachings like these circulate—and are believed. One can go to any library, check any history book about ancient Babylon, none of these things will be found. They are not historically accurate, but are based on an arbitrary piecing together of bits and pieces of mythology.
Hislop, for example, taught that mythological persons like Adonis, Apollo, Bacchus, Cupid, Dagon, Hercules, Janus, Mars, Mithra, Moloch, Orion, Osiris, Pluto, Saturn, Vulcan, Zoraster, and many more, were all Nimrod! He then formed his own “history” of Nimrod! He did the same thing with Nimrod’s wife. So, according to his theory, Nimrod was a big, ugly, deformed black man. His wife, Semiramis—also known as Easter, he says—was a most beautiful white woman with blond hair and blue eyes, a backslider, inventor of soprano singing, the originator of priestly celibacy, the first to whom the unbloody mass was offered! This is not factual history—it is more in the category of tabloid sensationalism.
Some claim that round objects, such as round communion wafers, are symbols of the Sun-god. But they fail to mention that the very manna given by God was round! (Exod. 16:14). Some are ready to condemn all pillars and historical monuments as pagan. But they fail to take into account that the Lord himself appeared as a pillar of fire; and, in front of his temple, there were two large pillars (Exod. 13:21,22; 2 Chron. 3:17).
Because Babylon had a tower (Gen. 11:4), some suppose this must be why there are church buildings with towers or steeples: they are copying Babylon! A newspaper reporter in Columbus, Ohio, wrote to me about this. In that city, and numerous other places, this claim has been made. Let me say it quite clearly: No church ever included a steeple or tower on their house of worship to copy the tower of Babel! Why discredit thousands of born-again Christians by promoting ideas that have no connection? If a tower in itself is pagan, God would be pagan, for David described him as “my high tower” (2 Sam. 22:3; cf. Prov. 18:10).
No Christian who puts a bumper sticker with a fish symbol on the back of his car has ever done so to honor the fish-god Dagon. No congregation has ever put a cross on a church building for the purpose of honoring Tammuz. No Christian has ever gone to an Easter sunrise service to worship Baal. No Christian has ever worshipped a Christmas tree as an idol. Claims that imply “all these things started in Babylon,” are not only divisive and fruitless, they are untrue.
The concern about not wanting anything pagan in our lives can be likened to a ship crossing a vast ocean. This concern has taken us in the right direction, but as we come to a better understanding as to what is actually pagan and what is not, a correction of the course is necessary in our journey. This is not a going back, but a correction of the course as we follow “the shining light, that shines more and more unto the perfect day” (Prov. 4:18).
This is what I have sought to do in the book THE BABYLON CONNECTION? See the Order Form on this website for ordering information.
Izvor:
Navodim njegove reci, koje su na engleskom, a postavicu kasnije i prevod, nadam se, ako budem imao vremena:
Message from Ralph Woodrow regarding the book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION
For a number of years my book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION was very popular, enjoyed a wide circulation, and was translated into various languages. To this day, we do not cease to receive orders and inquiries about it. Despite its popularity, several years ago we pulled it out of print and now offer a replacement book THE BABYLON CONNECTION?
Because misinformation about this decision persists on the Internet, and in other ways, the aim of this article is to set the record straight.
According to one rumor, “the Catholics” put so much pressure on me, I had a heart attack and almost died! Consequently, I “recanted” and wrote the other book. There is no truth to this!
Another rumor is that my motives were financial—my desire was to be popular and make more money. To the contrary, BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION was extremely popular and provided more income to our ministry than all other books and offerings put together! We have faced much financial loss because of the decision to pull the book out of print.
Some letters we have received have been very warm, commending me for honesty and integrity, expressing appreciation for the clarification provided by the replacement book THE BABYLON CONNECTION? But other letters have been mean-spirited—that I am “stupid,” “scum,” “scared of the truth,” a “low down coward,” a “traitor to Christ,” following “a false god,” and am an “undercover Jesuit”! One even said, “I hope you die soon, I want you dead!”
It puzzles me how some can be so fanatical against one set of errors—or what they perceive to be errors—only to develop greater errors: becoming judgmental, hateful, and dishonest.
My original book had some valuable information in it. But it also contained certain teachings that were made popular in a book many years ago, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop. This book claims that the very religion of ancient Babylon, under the leadership of Nimrod and his wife, was later disguised with Christian-sounding names, becoming the Roman Catholic Church. Thus, two “Babylons"—one ancient and one modern. Proof for this is sought by citing numerous similarities in paganism. The problem with this method is this: in many cases there is no connection.
Let’s suppose that on May 10th a man was stabbed to death in Seattle. There were strong reasons for believing a certain person did it. He had motive. He was physically strong. He owned a large knife. He had a criminal record. He was known to have a violent temper and had threatened the victim in the past. All of these things would point to him as the murderer, except for one thing: on May 10th he was not in Seattle—he was in Florida!
So is it with the claims about pagan origins. What may seem to have a connection, upon further investigation, has no connection at all!
By this method, one could take virtually anything and do the same—even the “golden arches” at McDonald’s! The Encyclopedia Americana (article: “Arch") says the use of arches was known in Babylon as early as 2020 B.C. Since Babylon was called “the golden city” (Isa. 14:4), can there be any doubt about the origin of the golden arches? As silly as this is, this is the type of proof that has been offered over and over about pagan origins.
By this method, atheists have long sought to discredit the Bible and Christianity altogether—not just the Roman Catholic Church.
By this method, one could condemn Protestant and evangelical denominations like the Assemblies of God, Baptist, Church of Christ, Lutheran, Methodist, Nazarene, etc. Basic things like prayer, and kneeling in prayer, would have to be rejected, because pagans knelt and prayed to their gods. Water baptism would have to be rejected, for pagans had numerous rites involving water, etc.
By this method, the BIBLE itself would need to be rejected as pagan. All of the following practices or beliefs mentioned in the Bible, were also known among pagans—raising hands in worship, taking off shoes on holy ground, a holy mountain, a holy place in a temple, offering sacrifices without blemish, a sacred ark, city of refuge, bringing forth water from a rock, laws written on stone, fire appearing on a person’s head, horses of fire, the offering of first fruits, tithes, etc.
By this method, the LORD himself would be pagan. The woman called Mystery Babylon had a cup in her hand; the Lord has a cup in his hand (Psa. 75:8). Pagan kings sat on thrones and wore crowns; the Lord sits on a throne and wears a crown (Rev. 1:4; 14:14). Pagans worshipped the sun; the Lord is the “Sun of righteousness” (Mal. 4:2). Pagan gods were likened to stars; the Lord is called “the bright and morning star” (Rev. 22:16). Pagan gods had temples dedicated to them; the Lord has a temple (Rev. 7:15). Pagan gods were pictured with wings; the Lord is pictured with wings (Psa. 91:4).
Here is a list of the some of the unsubstantiated claims that are made about the religion of ancient Babylon:
• The Babylonians went to a confessional and confessed sins to priests who wore black clergy garments.
• Their king, Nimrod, was born on December 25. Round decorations on Christmas trees and round communion wafers honored him as the Sun-god.
• Sun-worshippers went to their temples weekly, on Sunday, to worship the Sun-god.
• Nimrod’s wife was Semiramis, who claimed to be the Virgin Queen of Heaven, and was the mother of Tammuz.
• Tammuz was killed by a wild boar when he was age 40; so 40 days of Lent were set aside to honor his death.
• The Babylonians wept for him on “Good Friday.” They worshipped a cross-the initial letter of his name.
It is amazing how unsubstantiated teachings like these circulate—and are believed. One can go to any library, check any history book about ancient Babylon, none of these things will be found. They are not historically accurate, but are based on an arbitrary piecing together of bits and pieces of mythology.
Hislop, for example, taught that mythological persons like Adonis, Apollo, Bacchus, Cupid, Dagon, Hercules, Janus, Mars, Mithra, Moloch, Orion, Osiris, Pluto, Saturn, Vulcan, Zoraster, and many more, were all Nimrod! He then formed his own “history” of Nimrod! He did the same thing with Nimrod’s wife. So, according to his theory, Nimrod was a big, ugly, deformed black man. His wife, Semiramis—also known as Easter, he says—was a most beautiful white woman with blond hair and blue eyes, a backslider, inventor of soprano singing, the originator of priestly celibacy, the first to whom the unbloody mass was offered! This is not factual history—it is more in the category of tabloid sensationalism.
Some claim that round objects, such as round communion wafers, are symbols of the Sun-god. But they fail to mention that the very manna given by God was round! (Exod. 16:14). Some are ready to condemn all pillars and historical monuments as pagan. But they fail to take into account that the Lord himself appeared as a pillar of fire; and, in front of his temple, there were two large pillars (Exod. 13:21,22; 2 Chron. 3:17).
Because Babylon had a tower (Gen. 11:4), some suppose this must be why there are church buildings with towers or steeples: they are copying Babylon! A newspaper reporter in Columbus, Ohio, wrote to me about this. In that city, and numerous other places, this claim has been made. Let me say it quite clearly: No church ever included a steeple or tower on their house of worship to copy the tower of Babel! Why discredit thousands of born-again Christians by promoting ideas that have no connection? If a tower in itself is pagan, God would be pagan, for David described him as “my high tower” (2 Sam. 22:3; cf. Prov. 18:10).
No Christian who puts a bumper sticker with a fish symbol on the back of his car has ever done so to honor the fish-god Dagon. No congregation has ever put a cross on a church building for the purpose of honoring Tammuz. No Christian has ever gone to an Easter sunrise service to worship Baal. No Christian has ever worshipped a Christmas tree as an idol. Claims that imply “all these things started in Babylon,” are not only divisive and fruitless, they are untrue.
The concern about not wanting anything pagan in our lives can be likened to a ship crossing a vast ocean. This concern has taken us in the right direction, but as we come to a better understanding as to what is actually pagan and what is not, a correction of the course is necessary in our journey. This is not a going back, but a correction of the course as we follow “the shining light, that shines more and more unto the perfect day” (Prov. 4:18).
This is what I have sought to do in the book THE BABYLON CONNECTION? See the Order Form on this website for ordering information.
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Ako ja zaključim na osnovu činjenica da postoji sunce, a potom tu izjavu povučem i počnem da je negiram, zar moja izjava može da sruši činjenicu o postojanju sunca.
Mire, kada bi neki Adventista vernik, u jednom trenutku postao nevernik, i počeo da uči da Bog ne postoji - da li bi ti poznajući tvoje poštenje zaključio da je stvarno tako?
Nemoj biti dvoličan, onda priznaj i jedno i drugo.
Nije Vudrou izmislio ideju o povezanosti Paganske filozofije i tradicionalnog Hrišćanstva, već je on iznosio činjnenice, koje je MOŽDA kasnije povukao, mada ja za to nisam čuo, jer ta knjiga je i dalje u prodaji kod Adventista.
Mire, kada bi neki Adventista vernik, u jednom trenutku postao nevernik, i počeo da uči da Bog ne postoji - da li bi ti poznajući tvoje poštenje zaključio da je stvarno tako?
Nemoj biti dvoličan, onda priznaj i jedno i drugo.
Nije Vudrou izmislio ideju o povezanosti Paganske filozofije i tradicionalnog Hrišćanstva, već je on iznosio činjnenice, koje je MOŽDA kasnije povukao, mada ja za to nisam čuo, jer ta knjiga je i dalje u prodaji kod Adventista.
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Navodis hipoteticki primer, on nije povukao svoju knjigu bez razloga, svakako je ulozio vreme i trud u svom istrazivanju i svakako se ne bi bespotrebno odrekao dobitka koji mu knjiga donosi, ucinio je to na vlastitu "stetu"..
A pored toga, covek zna o cemu prica, bolje i od tebe i od mene zajedno..
Sem toga koja je koincidencija, da covek dodje do identicnog zakljucka kao i ja, posteno i nepristrasno sagledavajuci ono sto ti nazivas "cinjenicama"???
Da su to bar "cinjenice" , kao u primeru sunca sto navodis!
Ovde covek shvata kao i ja izmedju ostalog, da to "nisu cinjenice", vec "teorije i slicnosti" (te da na taj nacin "povezivanjem" mozemo diskreditovati i odbaciti cak i celu bibliju kao "pagansku"), u tome se vidi njegovo postenje, da nakon iscprnog istrazivanja, on povlaci svoju knjigu, jer shvata da ono sto je napisao, nema veze sa stvarnoscu...
Covek nije nevernik, ti navodis hipoteticke primere, koji se iz ove price ne mogu izvesti. Covek upravo iz postenja i straha prema Bogu, povlaci knjigu, za koju onda posle tvrdi da ona "sadrzi netacne informacije". To je postenje..
Ja "dvolican"???
Ocekujes od mene da poredim ''neuporedivo" i da neku tvoju "teoriju" nazivam "cinjenicom"? Sta je sa tobom?
Nebrojeno puta sam dokazao ovde na forumu da u vasoj prici "nema ni 'Č' od cinjenica", kao sto je i ovaj covek "dokazao", povlaceci sknjigu i iznoseci iste tvrdnje, o "slicnosti" kao i ja..
Knjiga je dakle prepuna "slicnosti" , i ne sadrzi ni jednu jedinu "cinjenicu".
To nije slucaj sa suncem, cije je postojanje "dokazana naucna cnjenica".
Da bi dokazao svoje tvrdnje kao "cinjenice", moras nam izneti "istorijske dokaze, tj. citate" , a ti takvo nesto nemas..
Istorija je "nauka", temelji se na "cinjenicama", a ne na rekla - kazala" , "slicnostima" i "teorijama" koje nam ti nudis
Covek je napisao, kako je cak primao pisma pretnje u kojem ga vi protestanti "napadate", izjavljujuci da je bolje da je cak i "umro", nego sto je "povukao knjigu"!
Napadate postenje ovog iskrenog coveka.
Sramota je sta radite!
On je taj koji je postaknut masonskom idejom, napisao knjigu, ali je kao posten covek, daljim istrazivanjem bio podstaknut da je ospori.
Nema u toj prici "nikakvih cinjenica" i Vudrou je to lepo i priznao!
A to sto je vi "i dalje prodajete", to je vase nepostenje, a ne njegovo!
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Mire, ne pišu o tome masoni, već ranocrkveni istoričari, crkveni oci, kasniji istoričari, postoje dokumenti, citati, itd..
To što pričaš su samo izgovori i zatvaranje očiju pred činjenicama.
Ja sam godinama proučavao ove činjenice nezavisno od Vudroa, pa sam došao do identičnih rezultata.
Za knjigu Vudroa sam saznao tek pre izvesnog vremena, i video identične podatke.
To što se on, ili bilo ko drugi odrekao tih činjenica, ne može da ih sruši, a model sunca sam ti već dao.
To što pričaš su samo izgovori i zatvaranje očiju pred činjenicama.
Ja sam godinama proučavao ove činjenice nezavisno od Vudroa, pa sam došao do identičnih rezultata.
Za knjigu Vudroa sam saznao tek pre izvesnog vremena, i video identične podatke.
To što se on, ili bilo ko drugi odrekao tih činjenica, ne može da ih sruši, a model sunca sam ti već dao.
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Zasto ne slavim Bozic ???
1.Jer je to paganski a ne hriscanski praznik
2.Noci kad je rodjen Isus ,pastiri su cuvali nocnu strazu kod stada svoga,a torovi su bili bez ovaca.prema Luki 2:8 I behu pastiri u onom kraju koji čuvahu noćnu stažu kod stada svog.
3.Pogledajte termometar.i temperaturu u brdovitom Vitlejemu,i kod njih je sada zima.
4.Prvi popis po cezarevoj naredbi sigurno nije bio ZIMI!!! Luka 2:1
1 U to vreme pak iziđe zapovest od ćesara Avgusta da se prepiše sav svet.
Ima li neko da misli kako je Cezar to uradio bas zimi da ozlojedi sav napaceni svet ,pa i da Josif sa Marijom u 9 mesecu trudnoce podje kocijom na sedmodnevni put iz Galileje u Vitlejem,u vreme zime i hajduka???
5.Da li su rodjendani igde u Bibliji prikazani u lepom svetlu i dal pise kako su Isusovi rotitelji proslavljali rodjendane svoje dece i isusa,ili su mozda apostoli proslavljali Bozic?To nigde ne pise .
6.Kako je moguce da cak i pravoslavni popovi osporavaju Bozic kao dan rodjenja Isusa Hrista? U knjizi koju je stampala SPC prevod knjige Biblija je u pravu,sa blagoslovom episkopa sumadijskog save pre nekih 20 ak godina pise da je Bozic paganskog porekla i da nije dan rodjenja Isusa Hrista.
7.Razlog za ne slavljenja Bozica je jer se toga dana mnogi napijaju,prejedaju i iznad svega uce da Polozajnici dzaraju u vatri i govore magicne reci "kolko varnica tolko pilica "itd...
1.Jer je to paganski a ne hriscanski praznik
2.Noci kad je rodjen Isus ,pastiri su cuvali nocnu strazu kod stada svoga,a torovi su bili bez ovaca.prema Luki 2:8 I behu pastiri u onom kraju koji čuvahu noćnu stažu kod stada svog.
3.Pogledajte termometar.i temperaturu u brdovitom Vitlejemu,i kod njih je sada zima.
4.Prvi popis po cezarevoj naredbi sigurno nije bio ZIMI!!! Luka 2:1
1 U to vreme pak iziđe zapovest od ćesara Avgusta da se prepiše sav svet.
Ima li neko da misli kako je Cezar to uradio bas zimi da ozlojedi sav napaceni svet ,pa i da Josif sa Marijom u 9 mesecu trudnoce podje kocijom na sedmodnevni put iz Galileje u Vitlejem,u vreme zime i hajduka???
5.Da li su rodjendani igde u Bibliji prikazani u lepom svetlu i dal pise kako su Isusovi rotitelji proslavljali rodjendane svoje dece i isusa,ili su mozda apostoli proslavljali Bozic?To nigde ne pise .
6.Kako je moguce da cak i pravoslavni popovi osporavaju Bozic kao dan rodjenja Isusa Hrista? U knjizi koju je stampala SPC prevod knjige Biblija je u pravu,sa blagoslovom episkopa sumadijskog save pre nekih 20 ak godina pise da je Bozic paganskog porekla i da nije dan rodjenja Isusa Hrista.
7.Razlog za ne slavljenja Bozica je jer se toga dana mnogi napijaju,prejedaju i iznad svega uce da Polozajnici dzaraju u vatri i govore magicne reci "kolko varnica tolko pilica "itd...
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Jeremija 10,8Čime vatru lože, to ih zaluđuje! Zakon im isprazan - obično drvo,
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Jeremija 10,3Jer su uredbe u naroda taština, jer sijeku drvo u šumi, djelo ruku umjetničkih sjekirom;
Kakve to ima veze ako se u hrišćanskom duhu slavi.
Kao da bi datum nešto promijenio.
zavisi iz kog motiva, tako da to može da bude grijeh ali i ne mora.
Jeremija 10,8Čime vatru lože, to ih zaluđuje! Zakon im isprazan - obično drvo,
http://kontaktradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/secenje-badnjaka.jpg
Jeremija 10,3Jer su uredbe u naroda taština, jer sijeku drvo u šumi, djelo ruku umjetničkih sjekirom;
Kakve to ima veze ako se u hrišćanskom duhu slavi.
Kao da bi datum nešto promijenio.
zavisi iz kog motiva, tako da to može da bude grijeh ali i ne mora.
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