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Naravno sve što je dobro to je od nas,

Da samo nabrojimo neke od vaših dobrota:

1. Njemački protestanatizam - Mesija Adolf Hitler

2. Skandinavski protestantizam - riješio Marxovu noćnu moru, "oslobodio" ljude bogoopijumske ovisnosti.

3. Američki protestantizam - "oslobodio" kontinent od Indijanaca.

P.S. Veza "Mesije Hitlera" i SDA kulta bit će posebno obrađena.
 
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Da samo nabrojimo neke od vaših dobrota:

1. Njemački protestanatizam - Mesija Adolf Hitler

2. Skandinavski protestantizam - riješio Marxovu noćnu moru, "oslobodio" ljude bogoopijumske ovisnosti.

3. Američki protestantizam - "oslobodio" kontinent od Indijanaca.

P.S. Veza "Mesije Hitlera" i SDA kulta bit će posebno obrađena.

Slape, jedva čekam ovo iz P.S.

za to vreme neka pročitaju ovo: "Lutherov protestantizam bio je zapravo put i prvi korak u ateizam i otpad od Boga i Njegove Crkve. "
 
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Prestanuite da izvrćete. Jer ako bi se onako kako vi tvrdite shvatile stvari, ispalo bi da one žene koje počine ubistvo prvog stepena - abortus, to čine u ime Isusa Hrista! Neverovatno je da izričete takvu blasfemiju.

Stvarnoslap izgovara nepristojne reči u ime Isusa Hrista jer kaže da si Hristov sledbenik a tako se ponašaš.
Žene koje čine abortus ne kažu da to rade u ime Isusa, pa ih ne možemo osuditi.

Slape, jedva čekam ovo iz P.S.
za to vreme neka pročitaju ovo: "Lutherov protestantizam bio je zapravo put i prvi korak u ateizam i otpad od Boga i Njegove Crkve. "

Nije Luterov Protestantizam srednjeg veka bio prvi korak u Ateizam, nego Rimokatolicizam sa kojim je Protestantizam modernog vremena napravio kompromis ( ne sav ), sa Rimokatoličkom crkvom koja prihvatila i podržavala Hitlera.

Kao što je izjavio jedan govornik "Da Luter zna šta šta rade njegove pristalice prevrtao bi se u grobu"

Dakle, izvor ateizma i zla je Rimokatolička crkva, koja je nastala od lokalne crkve u Rimu kojoj je apostol Pavle napisao Rimljanima poslanicu, koja se sredinom 2 veka odrekla jevanđelja i odvojila od prve Hristove apostolske crkve i prihvatila satanizam obučen u mnogoboštvo, a potom i preobučen u Hrišćanske elemente.

Od tog i takvog Rimokatolicizma je prvo poteklo progonstvo srednjeg veka potpomognuto Rimskim svetovnim vlastima, a potom je ta versko politička organizacija učestvovala u svetskim zaverama i revolucijama, dodvoravajući se onima koji su na vlasti, i okrečući se kako je vetar nosi za slavom i vlašću ovog sveta.

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Toliko od Stvarnoslapovog laganja i pričanja praznih priča.

On bi i pisce biblije nazvao Hitlerovim sledbenicima, a nema odgovor zašto je Vatikan bio u službi Hitlera.


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On bi i pisce biblije nazvao Hitlerovim sledbenicima, a nema odgovor zašto je Vatikan bio u službi Hitlera.

Njemački protestanti nadahnuti Martinom Lutherom ovako su deklarirali svoju vjeru:

Adolf Hitler je novi Mesija poslan na zemlju kako bi spasio svijet od Židova.
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Laodikeja, ovo je notorna istina, za razliku od notornih laži koje ti do besvijesti ponavljaš. Hvala Bogu, tvoje laži ostaju laži i nakon što ih tisuću puta ponoviš.
 
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Toliko od Stvarnoslapovog laganja i pričanja praznih priča.

On bi i pisce biblije nazvao Hitlerovim sledbenicima, a nema odgovor zašto je Vatikan bio u službi Hitlera.


Pogledajte prilog 110114


Hmm, Ovo dole govori drugačije


Adventists in Nazi Germany
The Silent Church, Human Rights, and Adventist Social Ethics​

Dr Zdravko Plantak, author of The Silent Church: Human Rights and Adventist Social Ethics, is a Seventh-day Adventist scholar and the Chairman of the Religion Department, Columbia Union College.​
Here is a brief excerpt from Plantak's book, published by Macmillan Press (UK) & St Martin's Press Scholarly and Reference Division, New York, N.Y. (USA), 1998. (Text excerpted from pp. 17-21).​

Adventists in Germany​
The German Adventists seem to have fallen short of their proclamation of religious liberty at the time of World War I, between the two wars and during World War II. In imperial Germany, most Adventists espoused extreme nationalism and active military collaboration. An Adventist author argued in December 1915 that 'the Bible teaches first, that participation in war is not against the sixth commandment; second, that fighting on the Sabbath is no transgression of the fourth law'. The German church leaders, however, recognized the error of their policies after the war and confessed their loyalty to the worldwide Adventist community at the European Division meeting at Gland, Switzerland on 2 January 1923.​
This declaration, however, was weakened by an additional pronouncement which recognized that each member possessed 'absolute liberty to serve his country, at all times and in all places, in accord with the dictates of his personal conscientious conviction'. This statement allowed German Adventists to repeat the mistake from the First World War during Hitler's regime under the Third Reich.​
As Erwin Sicher has rightly observed in 'Seventh-day Adventist Publications and the Nazi Temptation', Adventists failed in numerous ways in regard to the Nazi regime. As early as 1928, before Adolf Hitler came to power, Adventists were calling for a strong Fuehrer. Article after article dealt with this Fuehrer ideal in German writings as well as in Adventist publications.​
Later, Adventist writers welcomed the apparent rebirth of Germany in their publications and also by vote. The Adventist town of Friedensau had voted by 99.9 per cent for the Nazi parliamentary state. When some Adventists refused to salute the Swastika flag and to use the Hitler greeting, the President of the East German Conference, W. Mueller, argued that it was bad for the church's image. He concluded that 'under no circumstances did any Adventist have the right to resist the government, even if the government prevented him from exercising his faith. The resistance would be unfortunate because it would mark Adventists as opponents of the new state, a situation that should be prevented. Another prominent Adventist writer and the editor of various Adventist church papers, Kurt Sinz, saw Hitler's strong command at the beginning of National Social rule as designed by God. Otto Bronzio went a step further, saying in the official Adventist paper, Der Adventbote, that 'the National Socialist Revolution was the greatest of all time, because it made the maintenance of a pure inheritance the basis of its ethnic life'. Some suggest that what he meant may be gleaned from a boxed quotation from Hitler—on the question of blood—which appeared on the same page.​
This idea of a 'pure inheritance', instigated by Hitler and carried throughout the German nation, also afflicted German Adventists. Although blatant racism seldom appeared in Adventist publications, Adventists did frequently print negative comments about the Jews, they tacitly supported sterilization of the mentally disabled, and many were caught in the quickened pride of German nationalism. The same doctrine of German superiority to other nations was carried into Adventist education in Germany where students were encouraged to learn to 'will and to think in German'. To will in German was a mystical Nazi concept; for, the Party taught, Germans 'will' differently from any other nationals. Educator W. Eberhardt insisted, in addition, that Adventist schools nurtured 'the National Socialist Spirit' between class periods, when they reviewed the news, studied Nazi ideals and sang German national songs.​
With growing pressure for greater collaboration, many Adventists of all age groups joined Nazi organizations such as the Hitler Youth, the BDM (Association of German Girls), the Labour Service and the German Red Cross. All these clubs were designed for the purpose of Nazi indoctrination, and although Adventists knew that a significant percentage of the Labour Service participants were members of the SA, SS and Stanhelm, the most fanatical Nazi groups who indoctrinated and militarized the youth, they approved of participation in the clubs. Johannes Langholf strongly supported the Labour Service. He wrote in Aller Diener, 'We expect every member to follow the divine command, "pray and work". It would be absolutely contrary to our understanding if we refuse the Labour Service.' Patt suggested that the principal reason for Adventists joining the Nazi Labour Front was unemployment and other economic hardships and that 'most Adventist workingmen succumbed to the pressure and became members of the labor service to save their families.' Yet, joining a party organization was not obligatory, and some joined the party as well.​
In Germany Adventists supported Nazi foreign policy and, eventually, the war. Possible lack of access to reliable information and, as a result, a misconception of the real situation led them to believe that their Fuehrer was 'a man of peace'. When Austria was incorporated into the Reich, German Adventists 'shared in the happiness over Austrians' return home to the motherland'. They believed that by God's help and through 'God's assistance our capable Fuehrer Adolf Hitler became the liberator of Austria'. After the liquidation of Czechoslovakia on 16 March 1939, Adventists still raised no objections. Even for this act of cruelty and oppression they found some justification. Then came the attack on Poland which the whole of Europe recognized as an act of aggression. Nevertheless, in an editorial Sinz could write that in view of the 'inhuman tortures our Volkskomrads have suffered among this foreign people', the German attack was probably justified. Adventists continued to support Hitler and celebrated his 51st birthday 11 days after war had escalated in the West with the German invasion of Denmark and Norway on 9 April 1940. The Adventist Morning Watch Calendar although printed four months earlier stated:​
Trust in his people has given the Fuehrer the strength to carry through the fight for freedom and honour of Germany. The unshakable faith of Adolf Hitler allowed him to do great deeds, which decorate him today before the whole world. Selflessly and faithfully he has struggled for his people; courageously and proudly he has defended the honour of his nation. In Christian humility, at important times when he could celebrate with his people, he gave God in Heaven honour and recognized his dependence upon God's blessings. This humility has made him great, and this greatness was the source of blessing, from which he always gave for his people. Only very few statesmen stand so brilliantly in the sun of a blessed life, and are so praised by their own people as our Fuehrer. He has sacrificed much in the years of his struggle and has thought little about himself in the difficult work for his people. We compare the unnumbered words, which he has issued to the people from a warm heart, with seeds which have ripened and now carry wonderful fruit.​
It is ironic that while Adventists had insisted upon religious liberty, they did not raise a voice against the persecution of countless Jews. Instead, they even disfellowshipped those of Jewish background. At a time when German Adventists were publishing the religious liberty magazine Kirche und Staat (an outside observer noticed its primary purpose as being the opposition to the Sunday laws), they kept quiet about the 1933 purges when hundred were murdered, and they said nothing against the persecution of Jews or about the occupied territories. Although some individual Adventists apparently resisted the Nazi temptation, Sicher has shown from contemporary publications that 'no active official opposition to the inhuman Nazi regime seemed to have existed nor even to have been permitted among Adventists. Sicher's is an unfortunate but honest portrayal of German Adventism in the first half of the twentieth century.

- izvor: http://www.everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/NaziAdventists.htm -

Uostalom, sve ovo i nije začudo, U svom "zelotizmu" i verovanju da su, a tako ih je učila "proročica" jedini "ispravni", onda su i Hebreji na redu da budu napdani. Prvo tvrde da su veći hrišćani od pravih Hrišćana, zatim veći protestanti od protestanata, naravno da će tvrditi da su veći Hebreji od hebreja i da sinovi Israela ne treba da postoje. Sve što su uradili je iskorištavanje prilike koju im je paganistički nacistički režim pružio. Da su branili Hebreje, i sami bi se našli na meti razularenih Luterana, koji bi se setili kakvim su ih epitetima kitili, i onda bi i adventiosti stradali, a to, pravoi mučeništvo, "remnant chruch" im ne pada na pamet. Lakše je kmečati i praviti se mučenikom, nego podneti muku, pravu muku za svoju veru. Istini za volju, od Milerove dece, Džehovisti su podneli muku pod nacistima, jedino oni. Produkt Milerove duhovne Kćeri, otpale metodistkinje EGW nisu i ne mogu da nam ovde dele moralne lekcije.
 
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Adventists in Nazi Germany
The Silent Church, Human Rights, and Adventist Social Ethics

To za razliku od Kat. crkve nije duh adventizma, dok u KC prvo truju ljude mržnjom, a onda im propov. ljubav, kod nas je to pojedinačni slučaj jer duh adven. je samo Jevanđelje.

I taj arg. i činjenicu ste ukrali od nas.
 
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Jedan Adventista inače vojnik koji je pod pretnjom smrću morao da ode u rat, je tokom rata nosio drveni pištolj, a spasio je mnoge ljude od Nemaca, i čak jedno celo selo Jevreja, a nacistima propovedao o Hristu, i nemogućnosti da Hitler dobije rat jer biblija govori da je poslednje svetsko carstvo Sina Božjeg.

 
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Evo još malo prijevoda iz teksta "o Hitlerovim Adventistima", koje je Darth postavio na engleskom:

Čini se da su njemački adventisti propustili zalagati se za vjersku slobodu u vrijeme Prvog svjetskog rata, između dva rata i tijekom Drugog svjetskog rata. U carskoj Njemačkoj, većina adventista prihvaćala je ekstremni nacionalizam i aktivnu vojnu suradnju. Adventistički autor u prosincu 1915. tvrdio je da: “Biblija uči, prvo, sudjelovanje u ratu nije protiv šeste zapovijedi; drugo, ratovanje subotom nije prekršaj četvrte zapovijedi“. Nakon 1. svjetskog rata, vođe njemačke Adventističke crkve prepoznali su i priznali pogrešku svojih politika, te su iskazali lojalnost deklaraciji Svjetske adventističke zajednice na sastanku u Glandu, Švicarska 2. siječnja 1923. godine.

Međutim, ova je deklaracija oslabljena dodatnom izjavom koja svakom vjerniku priznaje da ima "apsolutnu slobodu da služi svojoj zemlji, u svako doba i na svim mjestima, u skladu s diktatima svoje osobne savjesti". Ova je izjava omogućila njemačkim Adventistima da ponove pogrešku iz Prvog svjetskog rata tijekom Hitlerovog režima pod Trećim rajhom.
Kao što je Erwin Sicher s pravom zapazio u "Adventističke publikacije i nacistička iskušenja ", adventisti su na brojne načine zakazali kad je u pitanju njihov odnos prema nacističkom režimu. Već 1928., prije nego što je Adolf Hitler došao na vlast, adventisti su agitirali za snažnog Firera. Članci i članci u adventističkim časopisima napisani su o idealom njemačkim Fireru.

Prvo su adventistički pisci u časopisima pozdravili ponovno rođenje Njemačke, a onda se to ponovilo glasovanjem. Tako je Adventistički grad Friedensau glasovao 99,9 posto za Nazi stranku. Kada su neki adventisti odbili pozdraviti zastavu sa svastikom i upotrijebiti Hitlerov pozdrav, predsjednik Konferencije ASD Istočne Njemačke, W. Mueller, ustvrdio je da je to loše za sliku crkvu. Zaključio je da 'ni pod kojim okolnostima nijedan adventist nema pravo oduprijeti se vladi, čak i kada ga vlada spriječava u prakticiranju vlastite vjere. Protivljenje vladi je neprihvatljivo, jer to adventiste obilježava kao protivnike nove države, a to pod svaku cijenu treba spriječiti. Drugi istaknuti adventistički pisac i urednik različitih adventističkih crkvenih listova, Kurt Sinz, vidio je u Hitlerovoj snažnoj vladavini djelo koje je osmislio sam Bog. Otto Bronzio otišao je i korak dalje, tvrdeći u službenom adventističkom listu "Der Adventbote", da je "nacionalsocijalistička revolucija nešto najveće od svih vremena, jer je održavanje čistoće naslijeđa temelj njezina etničkog života".
 
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