Besmrtnost ili smrtnost duse

Član
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Mire kaže da duša (oblik duha) samo ima osjećanja, to čak ni njegovi teolozi ne kažu.

Danas ću iz knjige O besmrtnosti duše da citiram neke dijelove koji baš kažu suprotno od Mire.

Što znači da oni nemaju istu nauku ni oko čega.

DUSA NIJE OBLIK DUHA!
DUSA JE JEDNOSTAVNO = ZIVOT
 
Član
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Po tebi jeste, a duh životni nije život nego sila koja oživljuje. Život može samo da postoji vezan za živo biće.

Da vidimo kako je to "sila koja ozivljuje" kod Jezekilja?

Ali duha ne beše u njima... Od četiri vetra dođi, duše, i duni na ove pobijene da ožive. I prorokovah, kako mi se zapovedi, i uđe u njih duh, i oživeše, i stadoše na noge, beše vojska vrlo velika.



Duh "ne dolazi sa jednog mesta" , zato sto ovde duh nije "samo zivotna sila koja ozivljava"(iako u sebi sadrzi i silu), vec dolazi sa ''razlicitih krajeva''> jer sadrzi razlicite informacije..

(4 vetra , cetiri strane sveta kod Isusa - "i oni će sakupiti izabranike njegove od četiri vjetra, od jednoga kraja neba do drugoga.").

Zato jer su to ''razliciti ljudi u pitanju''!
 
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Član
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Da vidimo kako je to "sila koja ozivljuje" kod Jezekilja?

Ali duha ne beše u njima... Od četiri vetra dođi, duše, i duni na ove pobijene da ožive. I prorokovah, kako mi se zapovedi, i uđe u njih duh, i oživeše, i stadoše na noge, beše vojska vrlo velika.



Duh "ne dolazi sa jednog mesta" , zato sto ovde duh nije "samo zivotna sila koja ozivljava"(iako u sebi sadrzi i silu), vec dolazi sa ''razlicitih krajeva''> jer sadrzi razlicite informacije..

(4 vetra , cetiri strane sveta kod Isusa - "i oni će sakupiti izabranike njegove od četiri vjetra, od jednoga kraja neba do drugoga.").

Zato jer su to ''razliciti ljudi u pitanju''!

Značenje ima sila koja oživljuje. Čudo nisi pogledao u onom čuvenom strongu.
 
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Mire kaže:

"Da vidimo kako je to "sila koja ozivljuje" kod Jezekilja?

Ali duha ne beše u njima... Od četiri vetra dođi, duše, i duni na ove pobijene da ožive. I prorokovah, kako mi se zapovedi, i uđe u njih duh, i oživeše, i stadoše na noge, beše vojska vrlo velika"

Mire, ovde se pominju dva Duha, a to su:

1. DUH SVETI KOJI JE DUNUO U OVE MRTVE KAKO BI OŽIVELI.

2. DUH KAO UNIVERZALNA SVEPROŽIMAJUĆA SILA KOJA OŽIVLJAVA SVU TVOREVINU, I KOJU JE DUH SVETI DUNUO ILI UDAHNUO U OVE MRTVE.

Sama činjenica da je Duh DUNUO - je aluzija na Boga koji je u početku dunuo ovu silu života u nos Adama kako bi on oživeo.

Dakle, radi se o Duhu Svetome koji je dunuo ovu silu u ove mrtve.
 
Član
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Da vidimo sta Biblija govori o Duhu:

Kad je došao, stao je pred svoga gospodara. Elizej ga upita: »Odakle, Gehazi?« On odgovori: »Tvoj sluga nije nikamo odlazio.« Ali Elizej reče: »Nije li duh moj bio s tobom kad je netko sišao sa svojih kola te izišao preda te? Sad si primio srebro, pa možeš kupiti maslinike, vinograde, sitno i krupno blago, sluge i sluškinje.

Elizej pita slugu gde je bio, ovaj se pravi da nije bio nigde, iako je Duh proroka Elizeja svo vreme pratio tog coveka i video sta radi. KAKO DUH MOZE IZACI IZ TELA, PO VASOJ TEOLOGIJI NE MOZE!
Dok ovde vidimo da ''Duh izlazi iz tela i obitava van njega''.



Kakav strong Tripo, ne lupaj, prevod je tacan..

A Laodikeja ja ne prihvatam te tvoje fantazije.. Ispada da Duh ovde govori Duhu, jel tebi dobro? Koliko ti Duhova imas???
Kako mozes ''govoriti sili i zapovedati joj da nesto uradi, ako ona nema razum''???

Duh je jedan te isti, ali taj jedan isti Duh je nosioc licnosti ''svih'', to sam vec toliko puta objasnjavao, al vi nista opet ne razumete...


On govori JEDNOM DUHU: "OD CETIRI VETRA DODJI DUSE I DUNI" , jedan je Duh, i jedan isti Duva, ali sakupljen iz raznih krajeva, jer ima vise licnosti..
 
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Taj tekst uopšte ne govori o tome da je Elisej umro i da je njegov duh izašao iz tela, već je to čista biblijska alegorija, koja upućuje na to - da je proroštvo u bibliji ustvari okarakterisano kao duhovno iskustvo, a ne stvarno napuštanje tela od strane nekakvog bestelesnog duha.‚

Ovo iskustvo sam i sam doživeo, gde sam sedeći u svojoj sobi, video u viziji jednog brata kako na ulici nešto radi - nije bitno šta.
Posle nepunih deset minuta taj brat me je posetio, i ja sam mu ovo ispričao, i ispostavilo se da je to bilo stvarno iskustvo gde mi je pokazan taj brat.

To o čemu ti govoriš je mnogobožačko okultno učenje poznato kao "levitacija ili vantelesno iskustvo"
 
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Član
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(KJV) And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?

(KJV+) And he saidH559 untoH413 him, WentH1980 notH3808 mine heartH3820 with thee, whenH834 the manH376 turned againH2015 fromH4480 H5921 his chariotH4818 to meetH7122 thee? Is it a timeH6256 to receiveH3947 (H853) money,H3701 and to receiveH3947 garments,H899 and oliveyards,H2132 and vineyards,H3754 and sheep,H6629 and oxen,H1241 and menservants,H5650 and maidservants?H8198

(LITV) And he said to him, Did not my heart go out when the man turned from his chariot to meet you? Is it a time to take silver, and to take garments and olives, and vineyards, and flock, and herd, and male slaves, and slave-girls?

(MKJV) And he said to him, Did not my heart go with you when the man turned again from his chariot to meet you? Is it a time to receive silver and to receive clothing and olive-yards and vineyards and sheep and oxen and menservants and maidservants?


H3820
לב
lêb
Total KJV Occurrences: 595
heart, 485
Gen_6:5-6 (2), Gen_8:21 (2), Gen_17:17, Gen_24:45, Gen_27:41, Gen_42:28, Gen_45:26, Exo_4:14, Exo_4:21, Exo_7:3, Exo_7:13-14 (2), Exo_7:22-23 (2), Exo_8:15, Exo_8:19, Exo_8:32, Exo_9:7, Exo_9:12, Exo_9:14, Exo_9:34-35 (2), Exo_10:1 (2), Exo_10:20, Exo_10:27, Exo_11:10, Exo_14:4, Exo_15:8 (2), Exo_25:2, Exo_28:29-30 (3), Exo_35:5, Exo_35:21, Exo_35:26, Exo_35:29, Exo_35:34-35 (2), Exo_36:2 (2), Num_32:7, Num_32:9, Deu_28:65, Deu_29:4, Deu_29:19, Jdg_5:8-9 (2), Jdg_5:15-16 (2), Jdg_16:15, Jdg_16:17-18 (3), Jdg_18:20, Rth_3:5-7 (3), 1Sa_1:13, 1Sa_2:1, 1Sa_4:13, 1Sa_10:9, 1Sa_17:32, 1Sa_24:5, 1Sa_25:31, 1Sa_25:36-37 (2), 1Sa_27:1, 1Sa_28:5, 2Sa_6:16, 2Sa_7:21, 2Sa_13:27-28 (2), 2Sa_13:33, 2Sa_14:1, 2Sa_17:10 (2), 2Sa_18:14, 2Sa_19:19, 2Sa_24:10, 1Ki_3:9, 1Ki_3:12, 1Ki_4:29, 1Ki_10:24, 1Ki_11:3, 1Ki_12:26-27 (2), 1Ki_12:33, 1Ki_18:37, 1Ki_21:7, 2Ki_5:26, 2Ki_6:11, 2Ki_9:24, 2Ki_12:4, 2Ki_14:10, 2Ki_23:3, 1Ch_12:33, 1Ch_12:38, 1Ch_15:29, 1Ch_16:10, 1Ch_17:19, 1Ch_17:25, 1Ch_29:9 (2), 2Ch_6:38, 2Ch_7:10-11 (2), 2Ch_7:16, 2Ch_9:23, 2Ch_12:14, 2Ch_17:6, 2Ch_25:19, 2Ch_26:16, 2Ch_29:31, 2Ch_30:12, 2Ch_32:25-26 (2), Ezr_6:22, Ezr_7:27, Neh_2:2, Neh_2:12, Neh_6:8, Neh_7:5, Est_1:10, Est_5:9, Est_6:6, Est_7:5, Job_7:17, Job_8:10, Job_11:13, Job_12:24, Job_15:12, Job_17:4, Job_23:16, Job_29:13, Job_31:7, Job_31:9, Job_31:27, Job_33:3, Job_34:14, Job_36:13, Job_37:1, Job_41:24 (2), Psa_4:7, Psa_7:10, Psa_9:1, Psa_10:6, Psa_10:11, Psa_10:13, Psa_10:17, Psa_12:2 (2), Psa_13:5, Psa_14:1, Psa_16:9, Psa_17:3, Psa_19:8, Psa_22:14 (2), Psa_27:2-3 (2), Psa_27:8, Psa_27:14, Psa_28:7 (2), Psa_33:11 (2), Psa_33:21, Psa_34:18, Psa_36:1, Psa_36:10, Psa_37:4, Psa_37:15, Psa_37:31, Psa_38:8, Psa_38:10, Psa_39:3, Psa_40:10, Psa_40:12, Psa_41:6, Psa_44:18, Psa_44:21, Psa_45:1, Psa_45:5, Psa_49:3, Psa_51:10, Psa_51:17, Psa_53:1, Psa_55:4, Psa_55:21, Psa_57:7 (2), Psa_61:2 (2), Psa_62:10, Psa_64:6, Psa_64:10, Psa_66:18, Psa_69:20, Psa_78:8, Psa_78:37, Psa_84:2, Psa_94:15, Psa_97:11, Psa_101:4, Psa_105:3, Psa_105:25, Psa_107:12, Psa_108:1, Psa_109:22, Psa_112:7-8 (2), Psa_140:2 (3), Psa_143:4 (2), Psa_147:3, Pro_2:2, Pro_2:10, Pro_3:1, Pro_3:3, Pro_3:5, Pro_4:4, Pro_4:23, Pro_5:12, Pro_6:14, Pro_6:18, Pro_6:21, Pro_7:3, Pro_7:10, Pro_7:25, Pro_8:5, Pro_10:8, Pro_11:20 (2), Pro_11:29, Pro_12:8, Pro_12:20, Pro_12:23, Pro_12:25, Pro_13:12, Pro_14:10, Pro_14:13-14 (2), Pro_14:30, Pro_14:33, Pro_15:7, Pro_15:13-15 (4), Pro_15:28, Pro_15:30, Pro_16:1, Pro_16:5, Pro_16:9, Pro_16:21, Pro_16:23, Pro_17:16, Pro_17:20, Pro_17:22, Pro_18:2, Pro_18:12, Pro_18:15, Pro_19:3, Pro_19:21, Pro_20:5, Pro_20:9, Pro_21:1, Pro_21:4, Pro_22:11, Pro_22:15, Pro_22:17, Pro_23:7, Pro_23:12, Pro_23:15 (2), Pro_23:17, Pro_23:19, Pro_23:26, Pro_23:33, Pro_24:2, Pro_24:17, Pro_25:3, Pro_25:20, Pro_26:23, Pro_26:25, Pro_27:9, Pro_27:11, Pro_27:19, Pro_28:14, Pro_28:26, Pro_31:11, Ecc_1:13, Ecc_1:16-17 (3), Ecc_2:1, Ecc_2:3 (2), Ecc_2:10 (2), Ecc_2:15 (2), Ecc_2:20, Ecc_2:22-23 (2), Ecc_3:11, Ecc_3:17-18 (2), Ecc_5:2, Ecc_5:20, Ecc_7:2-4 (4), Ecc_7:7, Ecc_7:22, Ecc_7:25-26 (2), Ecc_8:5, Ecc_8:9, Ecc_8:11, Ecc_8:16, Ecc_9:1, Ecc_9:3, Ecc_9:7, Ecc_10:2 (2), Son_3:9-11 (4), Son_5:2, Son_8:6, Isa_6:10, Isa_15:5, Isa_29:13, Isa_32:6, Isa_33:18, Isa_35:4, Isa_38:3, Isa_42:25, Isa_44:19-20 (2), Isa_47:7, Isa_47:10, Isa_51:7, Isa_57:1, Isa_57:11, Isa_57:15, Isa_57:17, Isa_59:13, Isa_63:4, Isa_63:17, Isa_66:14 (3), Jer_3:10, Jer_3:15, Jer_3:17, Jer_4:9 (2), Jer_4:14, Jer_4:18-19 (3), Jer_7:23-24 (2), Jer_7:31, Jer_8:18, Jer_9:14, Jer_9:26, Jer_11:8, Jer_11:20, Jer_12:3, Jer_12:11, Jer_13:10, Jer_14:14, Jer_16:12, Jer_17:1, Jer_17:5, Jer_17:9-10 (2), Jer_18:12, Jer_20:9, Jer_20:12, Jer_22:17, Jer_23:9, Jer_23:16-17 (2), Jer_23:20, Jer_23:26 (2), Jer_24:7 (2), Jer_30:21, Jer_30:24, Jer_31:21, Jer_32:39, Jer_32:41, Jer_48:29, Jer_48:36 (2), Jer_48:41, Jer_49:16, Jer_49:22 (2), Lam_1:20, Lam_1:22, Lam_2:18-19 (2), Lam_3:65, Lam_5:15, Lam_5:17, Eze_6:9, Eze_11:19 (3), Eze_11:21 (2), Eze_13:17, Eze_13:22, Eze_14:3-5 (3), Eze_14:7, Eze_18:31, Eze_20:16, Eze_21:7, Eze_21:15, Eze_22:14, Eze_28:2 (3), Eze_28:6 (2), Eze_28:17, Eze_33:31, Eze_36:26 (3), Eze_40:4, Eze_44:7, Eze_44:9, Dan_1:8, Dan_10:12, Hos_4:11, Hos_7:6, Hos_7:11, Hos_7:14, Hos_10:2, Hos_11:8, Hos_13:6, Hos_13:8, Oba_1:3 (2), Nah_2:10, Zep_3:14, Zec_10:7 (2), Zec_12:5, Mal_2:2 (2), Mal_4:6
hearts, 21
Gen_18:5, Exo_14:17, Exo_31:6, Jos_11:20, Jdg_9:3, Jdg_16:25, Jdg_19:22, 1Sa_6:6, 1Sa_10:26, 2Sa_15:6, 2Ch_6:13-14 (2), Psa_33:15, Psa_35:25, Psa_74:8, Jer_31:33, Jer_48:41, Eze_13:2, Eze_32:9, Zec_7:12, Zec_8:17
midst, 12
Deu_4:11, 2Sa_18:14, Psa_46:2, Pro_23:34, Pro_30:19, Jer_51:1, Eze_27:4, Eze_27:25-27 (3), Eze_28:2, Eze_28:8
mind, 12
Num_16:28, Num_24:13, 1Sa_9:20, Neh_4:6, Psa_31:12, Isa_46:8, Isa_65:17, Jer_3:16, Jer_19:5, Jer_32:35, Lam_3:21 (2)
understanding, 10
Pro_6:32, Pro_7:7, Pro_9:4, Pro_9:16, Pro_10:13, Pro_12:11, Pro_15:32, Pro_17:18, Pro_24:30, Jer_5:21
hearted, 8
Exo_28:3, Exo_31:6, Exo_35:10, Exo_35:22, Exo_35:25, Exo_36:1-2 (2), Exo_36:8
consider, 6
Isa_41:22, Hag_1:5, Hag_1:7, Hag_2:15, Hag_2:18 (2)
wisdom, 6
Job_36:5, Pro_10:21, Pro_11:12, Pro_15:21, Pro_19:8, Ecc_10:3
comfortably, 4
2Sa_19:7, 2Ch_30:22, Isa_40:2, Hos_2:14
considered, 3
Job_1:8, Job_2:3, Pro_24:32
regard, 3
1Sa_4:20, 1Sa_25:25, 2Sa_13:20
bethink, 2
1Ki_8:47, 2Ch_6:37
care, 2
2Sa_18:3 (2)
friendly, 2
Jdg_19:3 (2), Rth_2:13
kindly, 2
Gen_34:3, Gen_50:21
stouthearted, 2
Psa_76:5, Isa_46:12
unawares, 2
Gen_31:20, Gen_31:26
brokenhearted, 1
Isa_61:1
consent, 1
Psa_83:5
courageous, 1
Amo_2:16
hardhearted, 1
Eze_3:7
heart’s, 1
Psa_21:2
hearth, 1
Gen_18:6
hearts’, 1
Psa_81:12
heed, 1
Ecc_7:21
merryhearted, 1
Isa_24:7
minded, 1
2Ch_24:4
regarded, 1
Exo_9:21
stiffhearted, 1
Eze_2:4
willingly, 1
Lam_3:33
 
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